W/E Beyers (Via Dan Ilman's FormBlog)

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Mushka has now made three straight wide moves compiling her 3/2-0-1 record.. BSF's do not account for ground loss, so her speed figures may be misleading. From a visual standpoint, she was mighty impressive Saturday, and her :24-ish burst to reach and pass the leaders is a great sign for the future. She should only get better.

From a company standpoint, she has finished behind only Backseat Rhythm and Country Star, which came in her debut going 8.5f on the Belmont lawn from the hedge. The former was third, albeit a distant third, in the BC Juvy Gals, and the latter won the (Gr. I) Alcibiades in her 2nd start...

Don't you think it's more important to mention that she was the only horse out of seven that didn't gun for the lead and was the beneficiary of a huge relative pace?

One the second paragraph....you're not actually comparing her turf race to her dirt efforts....are you?

[10 pnt move up]

Mushika had a dream trip, she may be a nice filly but that setup was ideal.

How did daytona equal the stakes record of a race thats been won by alot of nice horses yet only get a 99? He had to have run faster then he did at santa anita.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Don't you think it's more important to mention that she was the only horse out of seven that didn't gun for the lead and was the beneficiary of a huge relative pace?

I agree that the highly favorable pace setup more than made up for any ground she lost on the far turn.

Also, as I recall, the second place finisher was hung up about just as wide around the first turn as the winner was around the 2nd turn.

I don't think the winner did much more from a ground loss standpoint than the 2nd place horse - and I'd much rather be wide catapulting around tiring horses on the far turn ... than caught wide with a speed horse while up near a very strong pace in the first turn.

Also agree that the Remsen field - going 9fs with that kind of pace - were setup to look bad - and the winner had a bad trip to boot - but the winner sort of has a look of a dog biscuit to me...and the ones behind him have no look at best.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Also agree that the Remsen field - going 9fs with that kind of pace - were setup to look bad - and the winner had a bad trip to boot - but the winner sort of has a look of a dog biscuit to me...and the ones behind him have no look at best.

This opinion, not an unreasonable position, of course insures that these horses will become stars next year. [attempted irony]. Just think of the Remsen winners about whom much was made (Rockport Harbor, Saarland) who turned out to be less than stellar; surely the opposite will work.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

This opinion, not an unreasonable position, of course insures that these horses will become stars next year. [attempted irony]. Just think of the Remsen winners about whom much was made (Rockport Harbor, Saarland) who turned out to be less than stellar; surely the opposite will work.

Rocky was pretty good and Saarland was just ordinary..

The Saarlands sold pretty dam good for a 10k plodding stallion

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

This opinion, not an unreasonable position, of course insures that these horses will become stars next year. [attempted irony]. Just think of the Remsen winners about whom much was made (Rockport Harbor, Saarland) who turned out to be less than stellar; surely the opposite will work.

Well, to debuke this idea, Nobiz was lauded last year and he turned out to be a useful horse on both dirt and turf, and the same went for Bluegrass Cat in '05. I find it a difficult prep to evaluate as 9F for 2YO's may just be too far.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

This opinion, not an unreasonable position, of course insures that these horses will become stars next year. [attempted irony]. Just think of the Remsen winners about whom much was made (Rockport Harbor, Saarland) who turned out to be less than stellar; surely the opposite will work.

Where this insight leaves Thunder Gulch, Pine Bluff, Coronado's Quest, Read the Footnotes, Bluegrass Cat and the aforementioned Nobiz Like Shobiz is anyone's guess.. (Not to mention Remsen also-rans Empire Maker, Flashy Bull, Zanjero, Skip Away and Alydar...)

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Don't you think it's more important to mention that she was the only horse out of seven that didn't gun for the lead and was the beneficiary of a huge relative pace?

One the second paragraph....you're not actually comparing her turf race to her dirt efforts....are you?

you look at races like I do, I had the same observation right as the race was running. the effort was flattered imo because of Mushka lagging back from the lead pack, and in turn running on the proper pace for the distance. I am a bit sceptical that she is as good as she looked.