HOF First Time Nominees...cough, cough

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

LETS DO IT.......YOU'RE GUNNA BE WRONG EACH TIME(BECAUSE YOU GO BY LENGTH OF CAREER,AND GATHERING UP A LOT OF SOMETHING OVER TIME........LIKE HE DID WITH ALLSTAR APPEARANCES....SO TO NEGATE THAT YOU USE THE FANS=****.)

Ok....only because the football game is going to end scoreless

[Cannon Shell]

Garveys numbers

2332 games
1143 runs
2599 hits
272 HR's
1308 RBI
479 BB
1003 K
.294 Avg
.329 OBP
.446 Slg

1 MVP
9 All Star
4 Gold Gloves

hit well in postseason .338 11 31 in 55 games

But his average season of .294 19HRS 91RBIS 79 RUNS .329OBP .446SLG
and the fact he never led the league in any catagory except hits 2 times and Double Plays 2 times simply is not good enough to get him in as a 1st baseman. He is ranked behind non hall of famers Rusty Staub, Al Oliver and Bill Buckner in both HR, hits , OBP and Slg %. He has lessor numbers than Will Clark. He did a lot of nice things and was a very good player but not really a Hall of Famer.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Garveys numbers

2332 games
1143 runs
2599 hits
272 HR's
1308 RBI
479 BB
1003 K
.294 Avg
.329 OBP
.446 Slg

1 MVP
9 All Star
4 Gold Gloves

hit well in postseason .338 11 31 in 55 games

But his average season of .294 19HRS 91RBIS 79 RUNS .329OBP .446SLG
and the fact he never led the league in any catagory except hits 2 times and Double Plays 2 times simply is not good enough to get him in as a 1st baseman. He is ranked behind non hall of famers Rusty Staub, Al Oliver and Bill Buckner in both HR, hits , OBP and Slg %. He has lessor numbers than Will Clark. He did a lot of nice things and was a very good player but not really a Hall of Famer.

Awards
1974-ML-AS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1974-NL-MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1978-ML-AS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1978-NLCS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1981-ML-Roberto Clemente Award
1984-ML-Lou Gehrig Memorial Award
1984-NLCS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"

Let me explain to the dense... They are saying he was the best player in the league in'74.Then they're trying to tell you he was responsible for putting his team in the World Series in 78,and 84.Seems the individual was a lil more clutch a player than one,Chuck S is able to admit.He gives a post season batting %.Others were willing to say he was the most responsible(in both '78 and '84) for his team getting to the world series.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Won the 1974 NL MVP… Also finished in top 10 in NL MVP voting
in 1976 (T6th), `77 (6th), `78 (2nd) and `80 (6th)…Ranks second
all-time in fielding among first basemen (.9959)… Ten All-Star teams,
including eight consecutively (1974-'81, '84-'85); batted .393 with
seven RBI and two HR in 28 ASG at-bats… Holds ASG record for most
games played at 1B (10)…Named ASG MVP in 1974 and `78… Won four NL
Gold Gloves, consecutively (1974-`77)… Eight seasons with .300-plus
batting average and six seasons with 200-plus hits… 100-plus RBI five
times, 20-plus HR six times, and 30-plus doubles seven times… Led NL
in hits twice (1978, '80)… Holds ML records among 1B for most
consecutive errorless games, season (159), in 1984 (entire season);
most consecutive errorless chances, season (1,319), 1984; and most
consecutive errorless games, career (193), 1983-`85… Holds NL record
for most consecutive errorless chances accepted, 1B, (1,633), 1983-85…
Led NL 1B in games nine times (1975-'81, '84-'85), putouts six times
(1974-'78, '85), fielding average five times (1975-'77, '81, '84),
total chances five times (1974,'75, '77, '78, '85), and DPs once
(1985)… One NL Division Series (1981); batted .368 with four RBI and
two HR in 19 NLDS at-bats… Five NL Championship Series (1974, `77,
`78, `81, `84); hit .356 in 90 NLCS at-bats… Holds career NLCS record
for HR (8) and RBI (21)…Named MVP of NLCS (1978, '84)… Five World
Series (1974, `77, `78, `81, `84); batted .319 with six RBI and five
doubles in 113 WS at-bats… Two errors in 55 post-season games… Member
of 1981 WS championship team.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Awards
1974-ML-AS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1974-NL-MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1978-ML-AS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1978-NLCS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1981-ML-Roberto Clemente Award
1984-ML-Lou Gehrig Memorial Award
1984-NLCS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"

Let me explain to the dense... They are saying he was the best player in the league in'74.Then they're trying to tell you he was responsible for putting his team in the World Series in 78,and 84.Seems the individual was a lil more clutch a player than one,Chuck S is able to admit.He gives a post season batting %.Others were willing to say he was the most responsible(in both '78 and '84) for his team getting to the world series.

In 1984 Garvey played in 161 games, hit .284 with 8 HR's and 81 RBI's. His OBP and SLG % were .307 and .370 which are weak for a utility middle infielder let alone a supposed HOF 1st baseman.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

HE BEAT THESE HALL OF FAMERS IN '74....I PUT A VALUE OF WINNING THINGS.YOU PUT MORE VALUE ON COLLECTING OVER A LOT OF YEARS.In other words you like a weed,and I prefer flowers.One looks beautiful,and makes people feel good,and the other is just there for a while(hanging out.)You say he isn't good enough,buy he routinely led his team to kick Schmidt's butt in the post.So,he beat Schmidt again.This is my point..Garvey (accused of being so self-centered) shows signs of being the offensive glue for the teams he played for.He wasn't just a part of the puzzle.He usually was playing 162 games,and not slumping.A very consistent offensive weapon when the team needed to win.When they wanted to get to the World Series,he showed up(unlike these future hof members like AROD.)

1 Steve Garvey |
2 Lou Brock |
3 Mike Marshall
4 Johnny Bench |
5 Jimmy Wynn
6 Mike Schmidt|
7 Al Oliver |
B8 Joe Morgan
Richie Zisk |
10 Willie Stargell

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

HE BEAT THESE HALL OF FAMERS IN '74....I PUT A VALUE OF WINNING THINGS.YOU PUT MORE VALUE ON COLLECTING OVER A LOT OF YEARS.In other words you like a weed,and I prefer flowers.One looks beautiful,and makes people feel good,and the other is just there for a while(hanging out.)You say he isn't good enough,buy he routinely led his team to kick Schmidt's butt in the post.So,he beat Schmidt again.This is my point..Garvey (accused of being so self-centered) shows signs of being the offensive glue for the teams he played for.He wasn't just a part of the puzzle.He usually was playing 162 games,and not slumping.A very consistent offensive weapon when the team needed to win.When they wanted to get to the World Series,he showed up(unlike these future hof members like AROD.)

1 Steve Garvey |
2 Lou Brock |
3 Mike Marshall
4 Johnny Bench |
5 Jimmy Wynn
6 Mike Schmidt|
7 Al Oliver |
B8 Joe Morgan
Richie Zisk |
10 Willie Stargell

I'm sure Dusty Baker, Ron Cey, Davy Lopes, Don Sutton, etc would love to know that Garvey was singlehandedly winning all those games.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'm sure Dusty Baker, Ron Cey, Davy Lopes, Don Sutton, etc would love to know that Garvey was singlehandedly winning all those games.

I didn't say singlehandedly,but I grew up with the 70's Dodgers.Sutton was our dominant starter,and the consistent offense was there from Garvey.He didn't take many games off,and he was a reliable offensive leader on this team.Dusty came n' went.Cey was too streaky.Lopes was the good player(not great) that you're trying to make Garvey out to be.Russell was (of course) pretty much puke.Without Garvey,the Dodgers wouldn't have won even division titles in the 70's.I have to say though that he was the Corey Nakatani as far as interviews went(Cliche you into a deep sleep.)

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

In 1984 Garvey played in 161 games, hit .284 with 8 HR's and 81 RBI's. His OBP and SLG % were .307 and .370 which are weak for a utility middle infielder let alone a supposed HOF 1st baseman.

1974-ML-AS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1974-NL-MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1978-ML-AS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1978-NLCS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1981-ML-Roberto Clemente Award
1984-ML-Lou Gehrig Memorial Award
1984-NLCS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"

The above accomplishments should of got him in.He should of taken Tony Perez' spot.Garvey liked to hump too much(that's why he isn't in...it's not because of what he didn't do on the field.)Before he got caught humping,people voted him to start allstar games 9 times.....Best 1st baseman 9 times in his league,but his accomplishments aren't enough?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

1974-ML-AS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1974-NL-MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1978-ML-AS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1978-NLCS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1981-ML-Roberto Clemente Award
1984-ML-Lou Gehrig Memorial Award
1984-NLCS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"

The above accomplishments should of got him in.He should of taken Tony Perez' spot.Garvey liked to hump too much(that's why he isn't in...it's not because of what he didn't do on the field.)Before he got caught humping,people voted him to start allstar games 9 times.....Best 1st baseman 9 times in his league,but his accomplishments aren't enough?

Not the best 1st baseman just the one lucky enough to play in the 2nd biggest media market in an era where there were very few top 1st baseman.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Not the best 1st baseman just the one lucky enough to play in the 2nd biggest media market in an era where there were very few top 1st baseman.

I told you to PLEASE give me names that should've started in front of him in those ALL STAR GAMES.If you disagreed with him starting ,then you should have the alternates you wanted back then.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cardus

People in New Yorksaid that Garvey looked like his underwear was starched.

He is not Hall of Fame worthy.

People in New York (I'M SURE) didn't help him in his HOF bid.As you said,people didn't like his personality.Those are 2 of the reasons that a guy with a 130.5 HOF reference ranking(130 is almost a sure HOF inductee) didn't get in.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

People in New York (I'M SURE) didn't help him in his HOF bid.As you said,people didn't like his personality.Those are 2 of the reasons that a guy with a 130.5 HOF reference ranking(130 is almost a sure HOF inductee) didn't get in.

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Of course this little tidbit escaped you when you used the 130 number

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Awards

1984-NLCS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"

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If there was ever a time to kick someone's a$$. That was the year to do it. LOL!!!

He had a great Cartoon written about him.
"..., and Garvey hits another Home Run to win the game. His family is at home plate waiting for him to score." His 500+ children yell, "Hooray Daddy!"

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

If there was ever a time to kick someone's a$$. That was the year to do it. LOL!!!

He had a great Cartoon written about him.
"..., and Garvey hits another Home Run to win the game. His family is at home plate waiting for him to score." His 500+ children yell, "Hooray Daddy!"

I guess it still counts as a kill(kickin cub butt.)It's recognized.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I guess it still counts as a kill(kickin cub butt.)It's recognized.

I actually meant - I literally wanted to be in San Diego to kick Garvey's a$$.