HOF First Time Nominees...cough, cough

[SniperSB23]

I was looking this over and it is absolutely terrible. Baseball-reference has a HOF monitor statistic where you are supposed to be over 100 to even be considerd. All of the following are under 100:

•*Robb Nen 92
•*Tim Raines 90
•*Harold Baines 66.5
•*Chuck Knoblauch 66.5
•*Rod Beck 63
•*Chuck Finley 53.5
•*David Justice 43.5
•*Brady Anderson 38
•*Travis Fryman 36
•*Jose Rijo 28
•*Todd Stottlemyre 15
•*Shawon Dunston 14


I'd vote for McGwire, Rice, Lee Smith, and possibly Gossage. No one else should even crack 30%.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I was looking this over and it is absolutely terrible. Baseball-reference has a HOF monitor statistic where you are supposed to be over 100 to even be considerd. All of the following are under 100:

•*Robb Nen 92
•*Tim Raines 90
•*Harold Baines 66.5
•*Chuck Knoblauch 66.5
•*Rod Beck 63
•*Chuck Finley 53.5
•*David Justice 43.5
•*Brady Anderson 38
•*Travis Fryman 36
•*Jose Rijo 28
•*Todd Stottlemyre 15
•*Shawon Dunston 14


I'd vote for McGwire, Rice, Lee Smith, and possibly Gossage. No one else should even crack 30%.

Agreed on Lee Smith as well.

How do they come up with these "nominees"?...It seems like getting a star on the walk of fame in Hollywood...you can just buy one.

Hell..based on my High School baseball stats, I'd probably fall between Rijo and Stottlemeyer...Better figure out who my presenter is

[3kings]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Agreed on Lee Smith as well.

How do they come up with these "nominees"?...It seems like getting a star on the walk of fame in Hollywood...you can just buy one.

Hell..based on my High School baseball stats, I'd probably fall between Rijo and Stottlemeyer...Better figure out who my presenter is

There is a list of criteria for automatic nomination. I believe one of the criteria is that you are a 2 or 3 time all-star. So there are a lot of players nominated that were not even great players, just good players on crappy teams that had to have a representative.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by 3kings

There is a list of criteria for automatic nomination. I believe one of the criteria is that you are a 2 or 3 time all-star. So there are a lot of players nominated that were not even great players, just good players on crappy teams that had to have a representative.

How about being NL-MVP IN '74,AND BEING THE STARTING 1ST BASEMAN 9 F'N TIMES IN THE ALLSTAR GAME?
1974 (1B)
1975 (1B)
1976 (1B)
1977 (1B)
1978 (1B)
1979 (1B)
1980 (1B)
1981 *
1984 (1B)
1985 (1B)

* Played,but didn't start.

Isn't this what Sandberg did too?(NL-MVP IN '84 AND 9 times started in the ALLSTAR GAME.)F'n Tony Perez started in the ALLSTAR GAME how many times?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

How about being NL-MVP IN '74,AND BEING THE STARTING 1ST BASEMAN 9 F'N TIMES IN THE ALLSTAR GAME?
1974 (1B)
1975 (1B)
1976 (1B)
1977 (1B)
1978 (1B)
1979 (1B)
1980 (1B)
1981 *
1984 (1B)
1985 (1B)

* Played,but didn't start.

Isn't this what Sandberg did too?(NL-MVP IN '84 AND 9 times started in the ALLSTAR GAME.)F'n Tony Perez started in the ALLSTAR GAME how many times?

Starting in the all star game is determined by fans popularity not achievement. He simply does not have the numbers...do we really have to go through this again?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Starting in the all star game is determined by fans popularity not achievement. He simply does not have the numbers...do we really have to go through this again?

LETS DO IT.......YOU'RE GUNNA BE WRONG EACH TIME(BECAUSE YOU GO BY LENGTH OF CAREER,AND GATHERING UP A LOT OF SOMETHING OVER TIME........LIKE HE DID WITH ALLSTAR APPEARANCES....SO TO NEGATE THAT YOU USE THE FANS=****.)

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

LETS DO IT.......YOU'RE GUNNA BE WRONG EACH TIME(BECAUSE YOU GO BY LENGTH OF CAREER,AND GATHERING UP A LOT OF SOMETHING OVER TIME........LIKE HE DID WITH ALLSTAR APPEARANCES....SO TO NEGATE THAT YOU USE THE FANS=****.)

Ok....only because the football game is going to end scoreless

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Don't tell me his stuff wasn't good enough.He has a 130.5 HOF MONITOR RATING(130 is suppose to be a virtual lock,and so it's bullshit to keep saying he wasn't good enough.You fkrs that want people to play average for a long time,(and pad #'s) are just wrong.If your the best player in a league for a year..then probably you should go in.That(to me) is more important than playing 20 years,and getting a lot of whateva.YOU GUNNA SAY THE WRITERS WERE ON DOPE IN '74? BEST PLAYER IN LEAGUE,BUT OH NO,HE WAS NEVA GOOD ENOUGH..WAS HE? NOT ACCORDING TO NOT- IT- ALL CHUCK.Lackey was puke in the post.Like I said he'd be.You were wrong then,and you are wrong now.He is good enough.His personal life is keeping him out.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I was looking this over and it is absolutely terrible. Baseball-reference has a HOF monitor statistic where you are supposed to be over 100 to even be considerd. All of the following are under 100:

•*Robb Nen 92
•*Tim Raines 90
•*Harold Baines 66.5
•*Chuck Knoblauch 66.5
•*Rod Beck 63
•*Chuck Finley 53.5
•*David Justice 43.5
•*Brady Anderson 38
•*Travis Fryman 36
•*Jose Rijo 28
•*Todd Stottlemyre 15
•*Shawon Dunston 14


I'd vote for McGwire, Rice, Lee Smith, and possibly Gossage. No one else should even crack 30%.

rice won't get in because he didn't get along with the press especially in boston. if smith gets in, gossage has to get in. i'm on the fence about big mac.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

rice won't get in because he didn't get along with the press especially in boston. if smith gets in, gossage has to get in. i'm on the fence about big mac.

I think that Rice doesn't get in becuase his stats are just below what it takes as far as "magic" numbers .300 avg 400 HRs 1500 RBI's 3000 hits etc. Personally I believe he should be in. His numbers are eerily similar to Orlando Cepeda's.

Gossage should be in. He was the dominant relief pitcher of his time. He played a long time, played well in the post season. If Sutter is in then Gossage should be. I suppose Lee Smith has a case too but while he was very consistent he was never really dominant like Gossage, Sutter, and Eckersley. I think Raines should be looked at also. He was one of the top 5 players in the NL during the 80's into the 90's. His drug issues wont help as well as the fact he played in Montreal where no one saw him play.

[Cannon Shell]

Rice's numbers

2089 games
1249 runs
2452 hits
382 HRs
1451 RBI's
670 BB's
1423 K's
.298 avg
.352 OBP
.502 SLG
1 MVP
2nd in ROY
8 time All Star


Cepeda
2124 games
1131 runs
2351 hits
379 HR's
1365 RBI's
588 BB
1169 K's
.297 avg
.350 OBP
.499 SLG
1 MVP
1 ROY
7 time All Star

[satan's twin]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I was looking this over and it is absolutely terrible. Baseball-reference has a HOF monitor statistic where you are supposed to be over 100 to even be considerd. All of the following are under 100:

•*Robb Nen 92
•*Tim Raines 90
•*Harold Baines 66.5
•*Chuck Knoblauch 66.5
•*Rod Beck 63
•*Chuck Finley 53.5
•*David Justice 43.5
•*Brady Anderson 38
•*Travis Fryman 36
•*Jose Rijo 28
•*Todd Stottlemyre 15
•*Shawon Dunston 14


I'd vote for McGwire, Rice, Lee Smith, and possibly Gossage. No one else should even crack 30%.

David Justice with 43.5 points? Hell, the guy should have been given an additional 50 style points just for his ability to take post-game showers with Halle Berry for four years.