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Old 11-16-2007, 10:15 AM
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too sloppy, too windy, too cold, too hot.

is it just me or does it seem like some of our jockey colonies are getting more and more finicky?

they may be finicky, but they risk there lives on a daily basis. Its a dangerous sport and taking precautions sometimes isn't always wrong.
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Old 11-16-2007, 10:19 AM
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Ny should lay down a synthetic then we wouldnt have to worry about horses being eased and not handling the slop, or the jockeys crying. They could be eased and vanned like horses have been the last 3 days on the "Mad Genius" surface out in Northern Cal.
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Old 11-16-2007, 10:23 AM
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Did you see Victor Espinoza's myspace? LOL!!

Edit: It really explains what happens when you give jockeys too much power. Look at his pics!! It's ****in' ridiculous!!
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Old 11-16-2007, 10:25 AM
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they may be finicky, but they risk there lives on a daily basis. Its a dangerous sport and taking precautions sometimes isn't always wrong.

This is excuse doesn't work. They willingly accepted a job where this is a precondition.
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Old 11-16-2007, 10:26 AM
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Unsound horses should not be in a race, regardless of surface.
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Old 11-16-2007, 10:26 AM
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Unsound horses should not be in a race, regardless of surface.
Are you the guy who makes fortune cookies? WTF, dude?
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Old 11-16-2007, 10:27 AM
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This is excuse doesn't work. They willingly accepted a job where this is a precondition.
So do pilots but they still shut down flights when the conditions dictate. Not defending them in all cases, just saying the fact that you risk your life in your job doesn't mean you have to extend that risk in all circumstances.
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Old 11-16-2007, 10:29 AM
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The tracks should throw them out. Churchill did. The starving pinheads are being manipulated by the rich ones. Throw the rich ones out.
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Old 11-16-2007, 10:37 AM
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I've eased myself up at work today. Can I go home?
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Old 11-16-2007, 10:38 AM
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I've eased myself up at work today. Can I go home?
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Old 11-16-2007, 10:44 AM
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I've eased myself up at work today. Can I go home?

I'm wearing 2 aluminum pads at work today and their making me stay.
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Old 11-16-2007, 10:55 AM
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So do pilots but they still shut down flights when the conditions dictate. Not defending them in all cases, just saying the fact that you risk your life in your job doesn't mean you have to extend that risk in all circumstances.

I don't see the analogy.

The problem is that this group of riders in NY have established themselves as a collective " boys who cried wolf " as they have voted to cancel racing on days that wasn't necessary ( specifically in one instance last year...if not more ). Thus they have no credibility. The bottom line is that racing was never cancelled on sloppy tracks for many years and suddenly the NY riders do it frequently. In my opinion they hold too much power over the many people that have interests in the industry and they take advantage far too often to attempt to hold us hostage.
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:11 PM
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I don't see the analogy.

The problem is that this group of riders in NY have established themselves as a collective " boys who cried wolf " as they have voted to cancel racing on days that wasn't necessary ( specifically in one instance last year...if not more ). Thus they have no credibility. The bottom line is that racing was never cancelled on sloppy tracks for many years and suddenly the NY riders do it frequently. In my opinion they hold too much power over the many people that have interests in the industry and they take advantage far too often to attempt to hold us hostage.
If they were salaried workers I could see your argument. The fact though is if they cancel races that day, they don't get paid. The root of the problem is that they are making too much money if they are truly skipping race days when other jockeys who don't have as much money would be willing to ride. I certainly think they are abusing their power and canceling too much but at the same time when they try two races and five horses are eased I don't have a problem with canceling the rest of the card. I think it is the right move in that situation.
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:18 PM
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I can't disagree with your last point Sniper and in all likelihood they were absolutely right to cancel. It's frustrating from a horseplayer's perspective, not to mention the barns that readied their horses for the races and sent them to the detention barn, and it just seems like the jockeys sometimes don't look at the entire picture. Yesterday, however, was probably not one of those cases overall.

The jockeys would have been better off not having Johnny V as their spokesman in this particular situation as he didn't even ride in the first two races.
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:24 PM
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I can't disagree with your last point Sniper and in all likelihood they were absolutely right to cancel. It's frustrating from a horseplayer's perspective, not to mention the barns that readied their horses for the races and sent them to the detention barn, and it just seems like the jockeys sometimes don't look at the entire picture. Yesterday, however, was probably not one of those cases overall.

The jockeys would have been better off not having Johnny V as their spokesman in this particular situation as he didn't even ride in the first two races.
Yeah, not a good choice of spokesperson. I also think in some of these situations they should let the prima donna jocks take the day off and let the ones who want to ride do so. I get a feeling a lot of the time the top jocks who can afford to take the day off are leaning on the lesser jocks to side with them in canceling the card.

It should be each jockeys individual decision and if you don't have enough jockeys left then you cancel the card.
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Old 11-16-2007, 10:47 AM
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This is excuse doesn't work. They willingly accepted a job where this is a precondition.
Since you fancy yourself an expert on race riding, given your size, you should be able to make a ton of money doing it.
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Old 11-16-2007, 10:52 AM
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Since you fancy yourself an expert on race riding, given your size, you should be able to make a ton of money doing it.

Great response.
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Old 11-16-2007, 11:03 AM
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Great response.

We still got our looks Andy...which is more than Drugs can say.
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