Worse KY Derby winner...

[JJP]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

He ran pretty well when he "came apart."

Beyer figures being what they are, I can't agree with any argument stating Charismatic was the worst Derby winner ever. I also can't hold the injury against him.

If you're talking about horses who just got good at the right time and benefited from either weak crops or perfect setups, wouldn't War Emblem come up? I know he got a 112 in a bias-aided win at Sportsman's, but before that he was nothing special. All he did after winning two legs of the Triple Crown was go gate to wire in the Haskell in a paceless race where the track took him home.

Maybe I just never liked War Emblem.

NT

The win at Sportsman's wasn't bias aided. I guess in this age of synthetic, any speed win over real dirt gets lumped in as "bias-aided".

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by JJP

The win at Sportsman's wasn't bias aided. I guess in this age of synthetic, any speed win over real dirt gets lumped in as "bias-aided".

No that's more from Sportsman's having one of the most notoriously speed-biased surfaces, especially going two turns.

NT

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

No that's more from Sportsman's having one of the most notoriously speed-biased surfaces, especially going two turns.

NT

War Emblem certainly wasn't one of the most accomplished Derby winners we've seen, but his derby win was impressive to me, setting all the fractions, honest fractions, and winning by a fairly large margin.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Very little passing went on in his Derby win - and he never got any pressure.

I was personally more impressed with his Preakness win.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Very little passing went on in his Derby win - and he never got any pressure.

I was personally more impressed with his Preakness win.

me too, and thats why i would question placing in contention for worst derby winner. he ran 3-4 races that spring of decent quality, whereas some of the other derby winners that have been discussed here did not.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

War Emblem certainly wasn't one of the most accomplished Derby winners we've seen, but his derby win was impressive to me, setting all the fractions, honest fractions, and winning by a fairly large margin.

it was a conveyor belt that day. Very disgusting.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

it was a conveyor belt that day. Very disgusting.

so in your view is he the worst derby winner?

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

so in your view is he the worst derby winner?

it was certainly one of the worst derby days

War Emblem the worst ? no.

I've only bet 11 derbies. I would say he was the 7th worst winner.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

it was certainly one of the worst derby days

War Emblem the worst ? no.

I've only bet 11 derbies. I would say he was the 7th worst winner.

the route he took to the derby in it self was a head shaker.. spanking the blue bloods via cicero ill... lnfao