Funny, Considering the Number of Entries I Thought He Retired Years Ago

[Riot]

I have a problem with you speaking for Dickinson.

I obviously didn't speak for Dickinson. I most obviously spoke my own opinion, based upon my own observations, when I said, "I've .... "

His first priority is the welfare of his horses? Really? Let's be honest with ourselves...if his first priority was the welfare of horses he wouldn't be in a business where they are put at risk.

I asked you if you thought jumping horses was cruel. You haven't answered directly. Do you think so, or not? Your reply above is confusing: do you think racing horses (not over jumps) is cruel, or not?

Originally Posted by Riot

I obviously didn't speak for Dickinson. I most obviously spoke my own opinion, based upon my own observations, when I said, "I've .... "



I asked you if you thought jumping horses was cruel. You haven't answered directly. Do you think so, or not? Your reply above is confusing: do you think racing horses (not over jumps) is cruel, or not?

Yes it can be a cruel sport. Please tell me otherwise. I need a good laugh today.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Yes it can be a cruel sport. Please tell me otherwise. I need a good laugh today.

Yes, jump racing can be a cruel sport, as can flat racing, as can barrel racing or riding horses over jumps in a show ring.

But either flat or jump racing (or other horse sports) can also not be "cruel" to the horse at all, unless one believes the essential nature of any horse sport - that being man utilizing the horse within them - is cruel by definition.

That's the PETA viewpoint, btw.

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, jump racing can be a cruel sport, as can flat racing, as can barrel racing or riding horses over jumps in a show ring.

But either flat or jump racing (or other horse sports) can also not be "cruel" to the horse at all, unless one believes the essential nature of any horse sport - that being man utilizing the horse within them - is cruel by definition.

That's the PETA viewpoint, btw.

PETA's viewpoint goes deeper than that. They want the sport banned.

I don't want it banned. I just want people to stop trying to pretty the sport up as something it's not. Just be real and accept the fact that you enjoy a sport that can be cruel to an animal. It doesn't make you evil, it makes you human.

[Riot]

PETA's viewpoint goes deeper than that. They want the sport banned.

PETA wants no animals to be "owned" by humans. I have spent much money and many hours fighting PETA and their ilk.

I don't want it banned. I just want people to stop trying to pretty the sport up as something it's not.

Please point out where I tried to "pretty the sport up as something it's not"?

By simply saying I admired a jumps trainer for his publically stated views on the care of the horse?

Which caused you to say I supported the PETA viewpoint?

Fine. I like jump racing, you do not.

Just be real and accept the fact that you enjoy a sport that can be cruel to an animal. It doesn't make you evil, it makes you human.

Where have I said I don't think the sport can be cruel to an animal? In fact, I just said the opposite.

Really, Pillow, if you want to start a debate, the accepted premise is to disagree with something somebody has actually said.

Originally Posted by Riot

Where have I said I don't think the sport can be cruel to an animal? In fact, I just said the opposite.

Really, Pillow, if you want to start a debate, the accepted premise is to disagree with something somebody has actually said.

I did disagree with what you said about Dickinson.

Now I'm done with your elitist attitude. Go talk down to someone else.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I did disagree with what you said about Dickinson.

Now I'm done with your elitist attitude. Go talk down to someone else.

Okay, you win!

[freddymo]

Yes Dickinson is making big money on Synthetic surfaces. Make no mistake he is devoted to horses and there welfare

[Cajungator26]

Concerning the dangers of jumping horses:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/servi...,3218960.story

How sad.