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Why does anyone care about Israel or Lebanon? Neither has anything to offer the world. They could blow each other up and nothing would happen. There is no oil there and the people are all religious nuts. They don't even have good horse racing there. I would love to see both blow themselves up so we could get back to following the war that OUR COUNTRY is involved with.

Originally Posted by boldruler

Why does anyone care about Israel or Lebanon? Neither has anything to offer the world. They could blow each other up and nothing would happen. There is no oil there and the people are all religious nuts. They don't even have good horse racing there. I would love to see both blow themselves up so we could get back to following the war that OUR COUNTRY is involved with.

Sorry, kid ... it's the SAME war ...

... and Israel is on OUR side.

It's very interesting that you consider human beings to be expendable if they're religious. You didn't really mean to say that ... did you?

And as far as good horse racing goes ... all thoroughbreds descend from Middle Eastern horses ... even Bold Ruler ... whose father ... by the way ... was bred by the Aga Khan.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Sorry, kid ... it's the SAME war ...

... and Israel is on OUR side.

It's very interesting that you consider human beings to be expendable if they're religious. You didn't really mean to say that ... did you?

And as far as good horse racing goes ... all thoroughbreds descend from Middle Eastern horses ... even Bold Ruler ... whose father ... by the way ... was bred by the Aga Khan.

Same war? What world do you live in? Last I checked the US was in a real war where tens of thousands of troops have died and been injured. This little conflict in Israel/Lebanon is like two little annoying kids fighting. The problem is that it is my tax dollar paying for it. These crazy backwards religious groups and countries have been fighting for thousands of years.

Israel in not on OUR side. Israel is on Israel's side. They are a strategic liability to the United States. All we need from the Middle East is oil and they have none. I think they should defend themselves and do whatever they have to do, but not with my tax dollar. If they weren't such wimps they would have dealt with this problem long ago with their own money. There are plenty of americans that are poor and plenty of other needs our country has than giving billions to all of these backwards Middle Eastern countries, of which Israel is one. All these countries in the Middle East live in the Stone Age. No rational human being can believe the religious garbage that comes out of orthodox religious people, which are the types that run these countries. How can you take a country seriously that shuts down one day a week? The symbol of their country is a religious symbol. No country that wants to be taken seriously can have that. The only thing Israel has going for it is that it is not nearly as backwards as the religious nutjobs that surround it.

I think people like you need to ask yourself if you first allegiance is to America or another country. This dual citizenship garbage is nonsense.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

You hopelesly ignorant PIG.

The majority of Isreal is secular. I myself am an aetheist who beileves "reliigon is the opium of the people". Less than 10 per cent of this country is orthodox (they do make a lot of noise unfortunately).

I would personally like to grab you my the throat and shove your tax dollars up your a$$ before I tore out your guts.

I have dual citizenship and welcome the chance to meet you in person.

lol.

Dirty words at 20 paces.

I'll fight you and one foot.

I'll fight you with one paw tied behind my back.

I'll fight you with one eye closed.

Why, I oughta....

What a clown.

as salaam alaykium

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

You hopelesly ignorant PIG.

The majority of Isreal is secular. I myself am an aetheist who beileves "reliigon is the opium of the people". Less than 10 per cent of this country is orthodox (they do make a lot of noise unfortunately).

I would personally like to grab you my the throat and shove your tax dollars up your a$$ before I tore out your guts.

I have dual citizenship and welcome the chance to meet you in person.

You are a coward, just like your countrymen in Israel. I am a deist, just like the people that founded "my country", although I really don't consider it your country considering you loyalties seem to be mixed. Israel beats up on poor people with my tax dollar and then they are too big of cowards to go and fight with the terrorists face to face so they bomb innocent people. That is the act of cowards.

I much rather have my tax dollar going to help people that are victims of somthing like Hurricane Katrina than to some countries that live in the Stone Age.

If less than 10% of "your country" is orthodox why do they have a star of david on your flag?

Here is Pat Buchanans piece on your site Townhall.com. THE LAST SENTENCE SUMS IT UP FOR ME. No, Kenny boy, we are not "all Israelis." "Some of us still think of ourselves as Americans, first, last, and always . And, no, Mr. Kristol, this is not "our war." It's your war."


http://www.townhall.com/columnists/P...is_not_our_war

Today, we are all Israelis!" brayed Ken Mehlman of the Republican National Committee to a gathering of Christians United for Israel.

One wonders if these Christians care about what is happening to our Christian brethren in Lebanon and Gaza, who have had all power cut off by Israeli air strikes, an outlawed form of collective punishment, that has left them with no sanitation, rotting food, impure water and days without light or electricity in the horrible heat of July.

When summer power outages occur in America, it means a rising rate of death among our sick and elderly, and women and infants. One can only imagine what a hell it must be today in Gaza City and Beirut.

But all this carnage and destruction has only piqued the blood lust of the hairy-chested warriors at The Weekly Standard. In a signed editorial, "It's Our War," William Kristol calls for America to play her rightful role in this war by "countering this act of aggression by Iran with a military strike against Iranian nuclear facilities. Why wait?"

"Why wait?" Well, one reason is that the United States has not been attacked. A second is a small thing called the Constitution. Where does George W. Bush get the authority to launch a war on Iran? When did Congress declare war or authorize a war on Iran?

Answer: It never did. But these neoconservatives care no more about the Constitution than they cared about the truth when they lied into war in Iraq.

"Why wait?" How about thinking of the fate of those 25,000 Americans in Lebanon if we launch an unprovoked war on Iran. How many would wind up dead or hostages of Hezbollah, if Iran gave the order to retaliate for the slaughter of their citizens by U.S. bombs? What would happen to the 130,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, if Shi'ites and Iranian "volunteers" joined forces to exact revenge on our soldiers?

What about America? Richard Armitage, who did four tours in Nam and knows a bit about war, says that, in its ability to attack Western targets, al Qaeda is the B team, Hezbollah the A Team. If Bush bombs Iran, what prevents Hezbollah from launching retaliatory attacks inside the United States? None of this is written in defense of Hamas, Hezbollah or Iran.

But none of them has attacked our country, nor has Syria, whom Bush I made an ally in the Gulf War, and to whom the most decorated soldier in Israeli history, Ehud Barak, offered 99 percent of the Golan Heights. If Nixon, Bush I and Clinton could deal with Hafez al-Assad, a tougher customer than son Bashar, what is the matter with George W. Bush?

The last superpower is impotent in this war because we have allowed Israel to dictate to whom we may and may not talk. Thus, Bush winds up cussing in frustration in St. Petersburg that somebody should tell the Syrians to stop it. Why not pick up the phone, Mr. President?

What is Kristol's moral and legal ground for a war on Iran? It is the "Iranian act of aggression" against Israel, and that Iran is on the road to nuclear weapons, and we can't have that.

But there is no evidence Iran has any tighter control over Hezbollah than we have over Israel, whose response to the capture of two soldiers had all the spontaneity of the Schlieffen Plan. And, again, Hezbollah attacked Israel, not us. And there is no solid proof Iran is in violation of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, which it has signed, but Israel refuses to sign.

If Iran's nuclear program justifies war, why cannot the neocons make that case in the constitutional way, instead of prodding Bush to launch a Pearl Harbor attack? Do they fear they have no credibility left after pushing Bush into this bloody quagmire in Iraq that has cost almost 2,600 dead and 18,000 wounded Americans?

No, Kenny boy, we are not "all Israelis." Some of us still think of ourselves as Americans, first, last, and always . And, no, Mr. Kristol, this is not "our war." It's your war.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by boldruler

You are a coward, just like your countrymen in Israel. I am a deist, just like the people that founded "my country", although I really don't consider it your country considering you loyalties seem to be mixed. Israel beats up on poor people with my tax dollar and then they are too big of cowards to go and fight with the terrorists face to face so they bomb innocent people. That is the act of cowards.

I much rather have my tax dollar going to help people that are victims of somthing like Hurricane Katrina than to some countries that live in the Stone Age.

If less than 10% of "your country" is orthodox why do they have a star of david on your flag?

Here is Pat Buchanans piece on your site Townhall.com. THE LAST SENTENCE SUMS IT UP FOR ME. No, Kenny boy, we are not "all Israelis." "Some of us still think of ourselves as Americans, first, last, and always . And, no, Mr. Kristol, this is not "our war." It's your war."


http://www.townhall.com/columnists/P...is_not_our_war

Today, we are all Israelis!" brayed Ken Mehlman of the Republican National Committee to a gathering of Christians United for Israel.

One wonders if these Christians care about what is happening to our Christian brethren in Lebanon and Gaza, who have had all power cut off by Israeli air strikes, an outlawed form of collective punishment, that has left them with no sanitation, rotting food, impure water and days without light or electricity in the horrible heat of July.

When summer power outages occur in America, it means a rising rate of death among our sick and elderly, and women and infants. One can only imagine what a hell it must be today in Gaza City and Beirut.

But all this carnage and destruction has only piqued the blood lust of the hairy-chested warriors at The Weekly Standard. In a signed editorial, "It's Our War," William Kristol calls for America to play her rightful role in this war by "countering this act of aggression by Iran with a military strike against Iranian nuclear facilities. Why wait?"

"Why wait?" Well, one reason is that the United States has not been attacked. A second is a small thing called the Constitution. Where does George W. Bush get the authority to launch a war on Iran? When did Congress declare war or authorize a war on Iran?

Answer: It never did. But these neoconservatives care no more about the Constitution than they cared about the truth when they lied into war in Iraq.

"Why wait?" How about thinking of the fate of those 25,000 Americans in Lebanon if we launch an unprovoked war on Iran. How many would wind up dead or hostages of Hezbollah, if Iran gave the order to retaliate for the slaughter of their citizens by U.S. bombs? What would happen to the 130,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, if Shi'ites and Iranian "volunteers" joined forces to exact revenge on our soldiers?

What about America? Richard Armitage, who did four tours in Nam and knows a bit about war, says that, in its ability to attack Western targets, al Qaeda is the B team, Hezbollah the A Team. If Bush bombs Iran, what prevents Hezbollah from launching retaliatory attacks inside the United States? None of this is written in defense of Hamas, Hezbollah or Iran.

But none of them has attacked our country, nor has Syria, whom Bush I made an ally in the Gulf War, and to whom the most decorated soldier in Israeli history, Ehud Barak, offered 99 percent of the Golan Heights. If Nixon, Bush I and Clinton could deal with Hafez al-Assad, a tougher customer than son Bashar, what is the matter with George W. Bush?

The last superpower is impotent in this war because we have allowed Israel to dictate to whom we may and may not talk. Thus, Bush winds up cussing in frustration in St. Petersburg that somebody should tell the Syrians to stop it. Why not pick up the phone, Mr. President?

What is Kristol's moral and legal ground for a war on Iran? It is the "Iranian act of aggression" against Israel, and that Iran is on the road to nuclear weapons, and we can't have that.

But there is no evidence Iran has any tighter control over Hezbollah than we have over Israel, whose response to the capture of two soldiers had all the spontaneity of the Schlieffen Plan. And, again, Hezbollah attacked Israel, not us. And there is no solid proof Iran is in violation of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, which it has signed, but Israel refuses to sign.

If Iran's nuclear program justifies war, why cannot the neocons make that case in the constitutional way, instead of prodding Bush to launch a Pearl Harbor attack? Do they fear they have no credibility left after pushing Bush into this bloody quagmire in Iraq that has cost almost 2,600 dead and 18,000 wounded Americans?

No, Kenny boy, we are not "all Israelis." Some of us still think of ourselves as Americans, first, last, and always . And, no, Mr. Kristol, this is not "our war." It's your war.

That is the best piece of writing i have seen on here. Thank you very much for a well thought out, well written piece of work.

[Rupert Pupkin]

[quote=boldruler]You are a coward, just like your countrymen in Israel. I am a deist, just like the people that founded "my country", although I really don't consider it your country considering you loyalties seem to be mixed. Israel beats up on poor people with my tax dollar and then they are too big of cowards to go and fight with the terrorists face to face so they bomb innocent people. That is the act of cowards."

I've heard Israel called a lot of things, but cowards is a new one. I've never heard that one before. Israelis are considered the bravest fighters in the world. Look at all the wars they have endured over the last 50 years. They have been attacked time and time again, sometimes by many of the Arab countries all at once. They are far from cowards. They are as brave as they come.
As to your contention that they should fight the terrorists face to face, what do you think they are doing right now? Thousands of Israelis troops have crossed into Lebanon to fight the terrorists face to face. The cowards are the terrorists who will shoot at you and then go hide in a crowded neighborhood which basically ensures that innocent civilians will get killed. The United States and Israel both go out of their way to avoid civilian casualties. Both countries do everything in their power to minimize civilian casualties.

[dalakhani]

[quote=Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by boldruler

You are a coward, just like your countrymen in Israel. I am a deist, just like the people that founded "my country", although I really don't consider it your country considering you loyalties seem to be mixed. Israel beats up on poor people with my tax dollar and then they are too big of cowards to go and fight with the terrorists face to face so they bomb innocent people. That is the act of cowards."

I've heard Israel called a lot of things, but cowards is a new one. I've never heard that one before. Israelis are considered the bravest fighters in the world. Look at all the wars they have endured over the last 50 years. They have been attacked time and time again, sometimes by many of the Arab countries all at once. They are far from cowards. They are as brave as they come.
As to your contention that they should fight the terrorists face to face, what do you think they are doing right now? Thousands of Israelis troops have crossed into Lebanon to fight the terrorists face to face. The cowards are the terrorists who will shoot at you and then go hide in a crowded neighborhood which basically ensures that innocent civilians will get killed. The United States and Israel both go out of their way to avoid civilian casualties. Both countries do everything in their power to minimize civilian casualties.

This is funnier than your defense of LITF. You follow propaganda and Fox news and you will be left with this version of "the truth". Ask that bus load of fleeing refugees that got killed by an Israeli (US) missile about "minimizing civillian casualties". Ask the North Vietnamese. Ask the Iraquis.

[Rupert Pupkin]

[quote=dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

This is funnier than your defense of LITF. You follow propaganda and Fox news and you will be left with this version of "the truth". Ask that bus load of fleeing refugees that got killed by an Israeli (US) missile about "minimizing civillian casualties". Ask the North Vietnamese. Ask the Iraquis.

The US has done everything in their power to avoid killing civilians in Iraq. I know that plenty of civilians got killed any way. That is an unfortunate consequence of war.
What's funny though is how you would knock America for killing civilians unintentionally, but you do not knock these terrorists who intentionally blow up a marketplace in Iraq intentionally killing 50 Iraqi civilians. I guess you think that when terrorists blow up a market place in Iraq that they are actually not terrorists but "freedom-fighters".

[quote=Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by boldruler

You are a coward, just like your countrymen in Israel. I am a deist, just like the people that founded "my country", although I really don't consider it your country considering you loyalties seem to be mixed. Israel beats up on poor people with my tax dollar and then they are too big of cowards to go and fight with the terrorists face to face so they bomb innocent people. That is the act of cowards."

I've heard Israel called a lot of things, but cowards is a new one. I've never heard that one before. Israelis are considered the bravest fighters in the world. Look at all the wars they have endured over the last 50 years. They have been attacked time and time again, sometimes by many of the Arab countries all at once. They are far from cowards. They are as brave as they come.
As to your contention that they should fight the terrorists face to face, what do you think they are doing right now? Thousands of Israelis troops have crossed into Lebanon to fight the terrorists face to face. The cowards are the terrorists who will shoot at you and then go hide in a crowded neighborhood which basically ensures that innocent civilians will get killed. The United States and Israel both go out of their way to avoid civilian casualties. Both countries do everything in their power to minimize civilian casualties.

Israelis are considered the bravest fighters in the world? By who, Israelis? The US military would carve up them in two seconds. Half of their military is made up of 18yr old girls. They are like a single A baseball team and the US Military is the best in big leagues. Please stop comparing the US and Israel. It is a complete insult to the US Military. Our men and women are all over the world protecting people, taking care of tsunami victims, Katrina victims, etc. They go into foreign countries and risk their lives so others can have a better life. The Israeli military is a little military designed to protect itself and nothing else. If it wasn't for my tax dollar they wouldn't even have a military. Israel has every right to protect itself, just do it with their own money.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

You hopelesly ignorant PIG.

The majority of Isreal is secular. I myself am an aetheist who beileves "reliigon is the opium of the people". Less than 10 per cent of this country is orthodox (they do make a lot of noise unfortunately).

I would personally like to grab you my the throat and shove your tax dollars up your a$$ before I tore out your guts.

I have dual citizenship and welcome the chance to meet you in person.

do you have any idea how incredibly dumb you look? First of all, the quote goes "Religion is the opiate of the masses" you uneducated fool. Secondly, its interesting that such a devout right winger would steal a quote from Karl Marx. LOL

Just brilliant.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

do you have any idea how incredibly dumb you look? First of all, the quote goes "Religion is the opiate of the masses" you uneducated fool. Secondly, its interesting that such a devout right winger would steal a quote from Karl Marx. LOL

Just brilliant.

That is pretty ironic. He's quoting Karl Marx and you're quoting a right-winger like Pat Buchanan.

Time and space won't allow a full response to the long-winded ignorance posted here.

But ... if any American thinks he's exempt from being murdered by Islamic terrorists ... just because he isn't Jewish ... or isn't religious ... or is politically correct ... or is a supporter of hatemonger Pat Buchanan ...

... he'd better think again. Given unlimited power ... the terrorists would kill us all ... no exceptions. The true fools ... are the ones who believe otherwise.

As the truism goes ... "You're either with us ... or you're with the terrorists" ... and Israel is most definitely with us.

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And by the way ... the Star Of David is not a religious symbol ... because ... both within and outside the Jewish community ... it only achieved status in the last two hundred years. Before that it was chiefly associated with magic ... or with the insignia of individual families or communities. But despite its very equivocal history ... Jews were attracted to its design ... and have sought to ascribe it more significance. That's what resulted in its being adopted on the Israeli flag ... not any religious significance.

[Rupert Pupkin]

[quote=Bold Brooklynite]Time and space won't allow a full response to the long-winded ignorance posted here.

But ... if any American thinks he's exempt from being murdered by Islamic terrorists ... just because he isn't Jewish ... or isn't religious ... or is politically correct ... or is a supporter of hatemonger Pat Buchanan ...

... he'd better think again. Given unlimited power ... the terrorists would kill us all ... no exceptions. The true fools ... are the ones who believe otherwise.

As the truism goes ... "You're either with us ... or you're with the terrorists" ... and Israel is most definitely with us."

Yes, you are 100% correct. I think the proof of that is 9/11. But it's really even worse than that. Not only would they kill all Americans if they could, they would even kill other Muslims if these other Muslims had slightly different beliefs. Look at Iraq right now. All these terrorists do is bomb innocent civilians in restaurants and market places. They're just killing other Muslims.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Time and space won't allow a full response to the long-winded ignorance posted here.

But ... if any American thinks he's exempt from being murdered by Islamic terrorists ... just because he isn't Jewish ... or isn't religious ... or is politically correct ... or is a supporter of hatemonger Pat Buchanan ...

... he'd better think again. Given unlimited power ... the terrorists would kill us all ... no exceptions. The true fools ... are the ones who believe otherwise.

As the truism goes ... "You're either with us ... or you're with the terrorists" ... and Israel is most definitely with us.

.................................................. ............

And by the way ... the Star Of David is not a religious symbol ... because ... both within and outside the Jewish community ... it only achieved status in the last two hundred years. Before that it was chiefly associated with magic ... or with the insignia of individual families or communities. But despite its very equivocal history ... Jews were attracted to its design ... and have sought to ascribe it more significance. That's what resulted in its being adopted on the Israeli flag ... not any religious significance.

In america we respect all religions, including Islam. You seem to differentiate between terrorists and Islamic terrorists, which illustrates your real thoughts. I have no problem with Israel, but they are an insignificant little country and they are like a leech that has attached itself to the US for protection. Fight your own battles and do it with your own money. As for us all being worried about being attacked by terrorists, well we would probably be safer if we put some distance between the US and Israel. It isn't making me any safer by siding with any of these insignificant little Stone Age countries like Israel. No oil, no need for us to be nice. That simple.