Belmont Cancels

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He was a big favorite and certainly the horse to beat.

Look, we always want these things to play themselves out, but the cancellation was dramatically in your best interests. The other three races were coming off the turf ( you KNOW the riders weren't riding on the turf ) and they would have become " all " races for Pick-6 purposes.

The truth is, whether they know it or admit it, the fans benefited from the cancellation....and NYRA lost money. The Pick-4 would have become a Pick-1 with a 25% takeout. People could easily have been confused in any number of ways involving races being " all " races or simply not realizing they were off the turf.

Hey I don't want to see anyone get bbq'd in the starting gate, not even Gomez, or hurt. They did what was right. I'm not arguing that one bit. I just wish the rain could have held off. I just knew ward had to be crippled in the first leg and really thought that Pet would get loose in the mud in the 2nd leg. Whenever you get a start like that knocking off a post time fave who also had added money on him, andthen get the 4th choice out of 6 horses home also knocking off a fave with added late scratch money on her, you really feel good with 48 multiples still left on your ticket. Happens, what can you do?

Complete refund on the pik-6, that is absolute bull****!!!!!!! So basically the guys who went dead in the first leg get as much back as the guys who had the first two winners, gee thanks NYRA, that is absolutely insane and atrocious. Horrible, just horrible.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Complete refund on the pik-6, that is absolute bull****!!!!!!! So basically the guys who went dead in the first leg get as much back as the guys who had the first two winners, gee thanks NYRA, that is absolutely insane and atrocious. Horrible, just horrible.

I would guess you want to thank the State Racing and Wagering Board.

I know you're steamed, it's understandable, but I'm not sure the rule isn't the MOST fair for all concerned parties.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I would guess you want to thank the State Racing and Wagering Board.

I know you're steamed, it's understandable, but I'm not sure the rule isn't the MOST fair for all concerned parties.

Yeah you should always give a guy with two losers in a multi race bet as much as a guy with two winners. I am calling the NYS wagering board, I want an explanation of this. This is the single worst thing I have ever seen at the racetrack.

Office was closed at 5 PM. Have to wait until Monday to wish someone an illness.

[blackthroatedwind]

Did you know NYRA had a poll on their website a little while ago and asked how many races were necessary to be run to make a Pick-6 not a refund? I believe the winner was 4.

Anyway, it's a Racing and Wagering Board rule that is endorsed by NYRA. I think if you weren't steamed you would understand why this is the most fair way to handle the situation.

Here's a question....would whomever bet your Pick-6 have put in the same amount of money had it been a double combining the 4th and 5th races?

The bottom line is this is a greater good protection of the bettor, which by the way, once again hurts NYRA. Had it been a " Pick-2 " they would have gotten the take-out. This way they got nothing.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Did you know NYRA had a poll on their website a little while ago and asked how many races were necessary to be run to make a Pick-6 not a refund? I believe the winner was 4.

Anyway, it's a Racing and Wagering Board rule that is endorsed by NYRA. I think if you weren't steamed you would understand why this is the most fair way to handle the situation.

Here's a question....would whomever bet your Pick-6 have put in the same amount of money had it been a double combining the 4th and 5th races?

The bottom line is this is a greater good protection of the bettor, which by the way, once again hurts NYRA. Had it been a " Pick-2 " they would have gotten the take-out. This way they got nothing.

Really? Well how is that different than paying a consolation on a pik-3 where only one race is run?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Really? Well how is that different than paying a consolation on a pik-3 where only one race is run?

I would say you know why it's different...very different.

Would the ticket you are discussing here have been played if there was no carryover?

[blackthroatedwind]

Yup...it was lousy luck.

I want to hear the explanation by these morons who have determined that its a total refund. Self serving BULL****. They know damn well that tickets hit the floor after the 2nd leg if they weren't live, many won't ever be paid. This is absolutely an outrage.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I want to hear the explanation by these morons who have determined that its a total refund. Self serving BULL****. They know damn well that tickets hit the floor after the 2nd leg if they weren't live, many won't ever be paid. This is absolutely an outrage.

You do know that the State, not the track, keeps the money from uncashed tickets.

I would guess, by the way, the ticket percentage on the Pick-6 is pretty low.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I want to hear the explanation by these morons who have determined that its a total refund. Self serving BULL****. They know damn well that tickets hit the floor after the 2nd leg if they weren't live, many won't ever be paid. This is absolutely an outrage.

Doesn't seem to be the least bit fair.
If I'd spent the time to cap it and was still alive, I'd be outraged too.

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Doesn't seem to be the least bit fair.
If I'd spent the time to cap it and was still alive, I'd be outraged too.

Its BULL****!! WHy not refund the pik-3 as well then? That wasn't completed but they will pay a conso there. Someone please explain the difference to me.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Its BULL****!! WHy not refund the pik-3 as well then? That wasn't completed but they will pay a conso there. Someone please explain the difference to me.

I hope they give you the answer on Monday and let us all know.
I'd be so p i s s e d !

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Doesn't seem to be the least bit fair.
If I'd spent the time to cap it and was still alive, I'd be outraged too.

Would you also feel it wasn't " the least bit fair " if you were dead?

Suppose you put $2,000 into this Pick-6 only to lose and then see only two races were run when if you had known this in advance you would have bet zero. Also, the carryover plays into this. Should that be distributed to people who came up with two winners? Well, since the answer is most likely no, you have to wonder why the people who bet three times what would have been bet without a carryover should be penalized when in fact there was essentially no carryover.

It's all about the greatest good and protection of ALL bettors in the most equitable way.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Would you also feel it wasn't " the least bit fair " if you were dead?

Suppose you put $2,000 into this Pick-6 only to lose and then see only two races were run when if you had known this in advance you would have bet zero. Also, the carryover plays into this. Should that be distributed to people who came up with two winners? Well, since the answer is most likely no, you have to wonder why the people who bet three times what would have been bet without a carryover should be penalized when in fact there was essentially no carryover.

It's all about the greatest good and protection of ALL bettors in the most equitable way.

BTW,
You make a very good point, but aren't those tickets already lying on the floor? Those that had live tickets should have the remaining pool distributed.
Do you think that losing tickets deserve a "do over'?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

BTW,
You make a very good point, but aren't those tickets already lying on the floor? Those that had live tickets should have the remaining pool distributed.
Do you think that losing tickets deserve a "do over'?

There are next to no tickets. And, frankly, who the hell throws their tickets out anymore? This particular argument is impractical. I don't mean this to be insulting.

I believe this bet was null and void. It's a reasonably complicated argument, especially if one doesn't see it implicitely, and I have to go to the movies and dinner. Catch you later.