Bush's first veto

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Hee hee hee. I keep meaning to get back on the Lebanon thread but it's so very exhausting sometimes...

TOTALLY OT, but Somer, did you see the thing about Joss Whedon getting that award from some women's group, honoring him for his female characters? If for some reason you didn't, I'll try to send you the link. He said some great stuff.

Yes, he received the award from "Equality Now" a women's group co-founded by his mother, Lee Sterns. Joss is a feminist of course, and he speaks so very strongly for equality...the link to the video is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYaczoJMRhs

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Yes, he received the award from "Equality Now" a women's group co-founded by his mother, Lee Sterns. Joss is a feminist of course, and he speaks so very strongly for equality...the link to the video is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYaczoJMRhs

Of COURSE you would have seen it already. I rewatched "You're Welcome" from "Angel" last night and got moved all over again... I love David Fury's commentary tracks; he always says interesting stuff.

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Of COURSE you would have seen it already. I rewatched "You're Welcome" from "Angel" last night and got moved all over again... I love David Fury's commentary tracks; he always says interesting stuff.

"Your Welcome" along with "Hole In The World" and "I Will Remember You" are my three favorite Angel episodes...the intensity of emotion in those three is rivaled only by "The Body" and the end of season two of Buffy. Charisma's return to Angel was fantastic, and while it was somewhat disappointing to me to see Joss end it that way, it was probably the most effective, heart-wrenching ending possible! Christian Kane, as always, was great in that episode as well. Speaking of him, check out some of his group's music...they are great...oh, called "Kane" and they do country.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

"Your Welcome" along with "Hole In The World" and "I Will Remember You" are my three favorite Angel episodes...the intensity of emotion in those three is rivaled only by "The Body" and the end of season two of Buffy. Charisma's return to Angel was fantastic, and while it was somewhat disappointing to me to see Joss end it that way, it was probably the most effective, heart-wrenching ending possible! Christian Kane, as always, was great in that episode as well. Speaking of him, check out some of his group's music...they are great...oh, called "Kane" and they do country.

I love "A Hole in the World" too, and Fred was never one of my favorite characters (though I loved Illyria so it didn't have anything to do with Amy Acker). That's the thing with Whedon-- he knows the heartwrenching ends are the ones that really stay with you. An artistic truth. Would "Charlotte's Web" be what it is if the spider lived?

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I love "A Hole in the World" too, and Fred was never one of my favorite characters (though I loved Illyria so it didn't have anything to do with Amy Acker). That's the thing with Whedon-- he knows the heartwrenching ends are the ones that really stay with you. An artistic truth. Would "Charlotte's Web" be what it is if the spider lived?

True but I don't think anybody has done tragic endings and death better than Joss...Tara's killing was so unexpected, Willow ripping the flesh off her killer's body (Warren), Joyce suddenly dying and how realistically that was done, Jenny being killed by Angelus, Buffy's death in "The Gift" and her resurrection at great cost, Anya being cut in two, Doyle sacrificing himself, Cordy's death and goodbye, Fred's painful demise, Wesley's acceptance of his passing, and...although he came back in Angel, Spike's heroic death that saved the world and united Buffy and him forever. Then, the death of Book and Wash in Serenity...just when you think they are safe! Yet characters such as Willow, Xander, Jayne, and River...always seemingly about to die, somehow survive! Joss is a genius...nothing short!

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

True but I don't think anybody has done tragic endings and death better than Joss...Tara's killing was so unexpected, Willow ripping the flesh off her killer's body (Warren), Joyce suddenly dying and how realistically that was done, Jenny being killed by Angelus, Buffy's death in "The Gift" and her resurrection at great cost, Anya being cut in two, Doyle sacrificing himself, Cordy's death and goodbye, Fred's painful demise, Wesley's acceptance of his passing, and...although he came back in Angel, Spike's heroic death that saved the world and united Buffy and him forever. Then, the death of Book and Wash in Serenity...just when you think they are safe! Yet characters such as Willow, Xander, Jayne, and River...always seemingly about to die, somehow survive! Joss is a genius...nothing short!

I don't know; I think that EB White guy could write a little bit... tee hee.

Seriously, in television, you are 100 percent right; Whedon has no equal because it's never "safe" in his worlds. And the dead characters are not forgotten-- even Doyle, who was in what, five episodes, was mentioned in "You're Welcome." Which is so very, very true in life.

I think "The Body" is one of the best hours of television I've ever seen. I'm so glad Whedon is helming "Wonder Woman." I can't think of anyone else who could do it justice.

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I don't know; I think that EB White guy could write a little bit... tee hee.

Seriously, in television, you are 100 percent right; Whedon has no equal because it's never "safe" in his worlds. And the dead characters are not forgotten-- even Doyle, who was in what, five episodes, was mentioned in "You're Welcome." Which is so very, very true in life.

I think "The Body" is one of the best hours of television I've ever seen. I'm so glad Whedon is helming "Wonder Woman." I can't think of anyone else who could do it justice.

I think Doyle was in the first 8 or 9 but your point is 100% correct. Jenny was revisited, first by Dru and much later by the First. Illyria's ability to change into Fred and fool even her parents, Tara's memory (would have seen her again if Amber had been available), Joyce reappearing to Dawn. Then again, how masterful was Joss in introducing Dawn in the first place! How do you suddenly introduce a kid sister in the fifth season of a show and have her being a part of everything from the beginning??