Joe says no

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

You know, I guess I'm "old fashion". A person deserves the upmost respect for doing a job, getting it right, showing results and with CLASS. Joe Torre has done that the past 12 years. NO ONE deserves to end a great career this way with a team or job. Life does sometime suck...things like this make it that way!

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wait

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the problem is not torre its the players mainly the pitching staff -no new coach will turn this bunch around anymore then torre

[3kings]

Cashman is more to blame than Torre. He spent the money, without building a descent pitching staff. K. Brown and R. Johnson were over the hill, Orabu that clown from the Braves who got 50 million and won about 3 games. There were too many free agent mistakes by Cashman. If your going to spend the money, get some effing pitching. Cashman should have been the one fired.

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Originally Posted by 3kings

Cashman is more to blame than Torre. He spent the money, without building a descent pitching staff. K. Brown and R. Johnson were over the hill, Orabu that clown from the Braves who got 50 million and won about 3 games. There were too many free agent mistakes by Cashman. If your going to spend the money, get some effing pitching. Cashman should have been the one fired.

ive said that in past posts that cashman should go before torre

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pdrift1

you wait it out because no manager is going to change that pitching staff that stinks. so you come to a understanding you have to rebuild and wait. mr steinbrenner should know by now you cant buy a ws. they need to bring up thier talent and wait

Roger, you are correct. The Yankees are a flawed team regardless of the payroll. They are a 2001 All star team but this aint 2001. The starting rotation is a mess. They very well may have Hughes, Chamberlain, and Kennedy in the rotation to start the season with Wang and Petitte (if he returns). While those guys have great potential, having 3 guys under 25 in the rotation especially in NY and considering how they have protected them it is hard to see that happening. Which means they have to try Pavano or Igawa again which is scary. Of course this assuming Mussina and Clemens are gone which they almost have to be. The bullpen will revert to a total disaster if Rivera leaves and Chamberlain goes to the starting rotation. Even if Mo resigns, who else is there out there? Farnsworth? They really need bullpen help and some depth especially if they have young guys in the rotation who will be on short leash pitching counts. The problem is that good bullpen help is hard to find. The other problem that they have is the rapid aging of Damon, Giambi, Matsui all who have unmovable contracts. Catcher could also be a giant issue if Posada leaves, and even if he doesn't, he is getting to the age where catchers usually start to tail off. There is no good alternative for Posada. They have no legit 1st baseman, period. If Arod leaves there will be a huge hole that is obviously unfillable. I have heard the rumor of replacing him with Lowell but Yankee Stadium aint Fenway and Lowell will be a disappointment because the drop off will be too great. Jeter is a rock, Cano is a good hitting middle infielder and Caberera is ok in center. The word is that Abreu will be let go too. Though a couple of the pitchers did not play enough to qualify but the Yankees have no prospects in the IL top 20. Of course Free agency will play a big role and if some of the big guys leave there will be money to spend but on who? What they should do is clear out as many of the old guys as possible, hire a good manager (not Larry Bowa or Valentine) understand that they cant win next year without screwing things in the future or without a whole lot of luck and play for 2009 when they will have Santana and some of the D.Rays excess talent who they wont pay like Carl Crawford.

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Again, Torre is a great guy. But if you were the Yankee brass, what would you have done? I'm just not sure what you wanted them to do. Offer him more money? What is your solution?

you wait it out because no manager is going to change that pitching staff that stinks. so you come to a understanding you have to rebuild and wait. mr steinbrenner should know by now you cant buy a ws. they need to bring up thier talent and wait

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I think he already bought 3. I agree that the Yankees need to go back and rebuild, but IMO you do that with a new manager. You are 100% right, their pitching staff sucks. Any rotation that features Wang as the ace is a joke. I just don't see the benefit of waiting to make this move.

well if he bought 3 already with torre he can buy another 3 with joe.so maybe its cashman that should be rolling out of town instead of torre. maybe cashman is the reason with bad pickups instead of joe. i'm not letting my emotions base this-but a new coach will do no better with what they have or what they will get

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I agree that Cashman deserves to be gone as well. I appreciate your opinion and thank you for offering what they should do. I just think it might be in their best interest to rebuild with a manager of their future.

i think right now they don't even know what direction thier future should be. george loves to buy older vets to win now-that will only put them back in this spot in a few years. the way to go is bring up your talent and wait for them to develop -but i cant see steinbrenner sitting four 4 years waiting for a youth movement to form in new york