Dewhurst

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I'd make my pick but need to wait to see if there will be any actual runners in this race.....

New Approach will be there, he isn't frightened!

[my miss storm cat]

Rio / Dark Angel

I'm actually more excited about this one.....

Love half the field but good luck to Al Qasi.

And Balthazaar.

Mac Love and Asset too.

Oh and Cesare.....


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15 Run Vc Bet Challenge Stakes (group 2)
Class 1, £90000.00 added, 3yo plus, £54963.00 penalty 7f
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Form Horse Trainer Age Wgt Jockey
1(11) 5-15124 Cesare J R Fanshawe 6 9 7 J P Spencer
2(2) 124111 Toylsome J Hirschberger 8 9 7 S Pasquier
3(14) 21351 Arabian Gleam J Noseda 3 9 5 J Murtagh
4(3) 1-60215 Al Qasi (IRE) P W Chapple-Hyam 4 9 3 T E Durcan
5(10) 136262 Asset (IRE) R Hannon 4 9 3 R L Moore
6(9) 016230 Balthazaar's Gift (IRE) L M Cumani 4 9 3 J Fortune
7(8) 7517-21 Candidato Roy (ARG) W J Haggas 6 9 3 L Dettori
8(12) 3-24312 Duff (IRE) Edward Lynam 4 9 3 D P McDonogh
9(15) 301941 Eisteddfod P F I Cole 6 9 3 N De Souza
10(6) 306645 Mac Love J Noseda 6 9 3 E Ahern
11(7) 364117 Pride of Nation (IRE) L M Cumani 5 9 3 C P Lemaire
12(13) 111-430 Caldra (IRE) S Kirk 3 9 1 K J Manning
13(1) 131-660 Captain Marvelous (IRE) B W Hills 3 9 1 D Holland
14(5) 311117 Lovelace M Johnston 3 9 1 R Ffrench
15(4) 242221 Miss Lucifer (FR) B W Hills 3 8 12 M Hills


Betting Forecast: 9/2 Cesare, 6/1 Arabian Gleam, 7/1 Al Qasi (IRE), Toylsome, 8/1 Duff (IRE), Asset (IRE), Balthazaar's Gift (IRE), 10/1 Pride of Nation (IRE), Candidato Roy (ARG), 14/1 Lovelace, 25/1 Eisteddfod, 33/1 Miss Lucifer (FR), 50/1 Mac Love, Caldra (IRE), 100/1 Captain Marvelous (IRE)

[brockguy]

a fab days racing, i just cant see too many clear bets.. Ill back Cesare.. Everything seems in his favour (well almost everything!). I can see a fast run race with Spencer cantering through the field and hopefully, getting his head in front on the line..

Notnowcato seems like a great bet, G1 winner, ground trip ideal, just a little concern that he didnt do too well in this race last year..

Id like to have a big bet on Ravens but Ill just savour the race of the year..

[brockguy]

cracking race. New Approach shows hes the real deal.. didnt have things his own way and still won... a brilliant champion. roll on 2008!

Fast Company made up tons of ground to be a fast finishing 2nd, but it never really looked like hed get NA. NA just put his head down and showed a brilliant attitude when he needed it. I was slightly disappointed with Ravens. He came to win the race and went nearly 1-5 in running but then seemed to empty out in the last furlong. THe ground certainly was slower than he wanted so he may just need some good weather next year to show his best. it looked like they went to the well too much with Rio, a decent performance but much further behind NA than in Ireland..

[NoChanceToDance]

I'd like to see where all the people who were trying to tell me Rio would beat New Approach this time

He looked like a superstar today. He didn't get his own way and had to really battle and he was well on top at the line despite the winning distance. A very classy animal.

Rio De La Who?

It's all about New Approach.

[brockguy]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

I'd like to see where all the people who were trying to tell me Rio would beat New Approach this time

He looked like a superstar today. He didn't get his own way and had to really battle and he was well on top at the line despite the winning distance. A very classy animal.

Rio De La Who?

It's all about New Approach.

well, as i said previously, Rio looked to have had one race too many, so you can hardly come to a definitive conclusion. still a nice prospect.. that said NA was class today. It'll be a very interesting Guineas next year..

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by brockguy

well, as i said previously, Rio looked to have had one race too many, so you can hardly come to a definitive conclusion. still a nice prospect.. that said NA was class today. It'll be a very interesting Guineas next year..

I dont buy that argument at all. They said he was fine and going really well at home. Two days after his race in France they said he'd come out of it really well. He looked one of the best in the paddock today actually. To say he's had too many races is scraping the barrell for excuses.

New Approach had four races before today, only one less than Rio.

That is no excuse at all. If they didn't think he was going to run up to scratch they wouldn't have run him. The first three were simply too good for him today. He is still a nice prospect, you're right, but i'd be confident to say that he will find it very, very difficult to beat the three in front of him today.

The second ran a huge race, but never looked likely of heading New Approach.

New Approach wasn't the best away, he didn't like being ampongst horses but he really put his head down and showed the world what he's made off.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

I'd like to see where all the people who were trying to tell me Rio would beat New Approach this time

That would be me.

I really did think he'd win.

Easily.

Aaaah well..... not too disappointed. New Approach is indeed a very nice horse.

Must go and sulk about Maraahel some more.....

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

That would be me.

I really did think he'd win.

Easily.

Aaaah well..... not too disappointed. New Approach is indeed a very nice horse.

Must go and sulk about Maraahel some more.....

I'm not saying he isn't a nice horse, but he isn't good enough to mix it with the horses that filled the placings yesterday.

Suroor and Crisfrod were very disappointed, which also back up they both thought that the horse had coped fine with the races he had. Suroor was quoted in the paper beforehand saying "he looks fresh and well and i've been very pleased with his work".

He is doubtful to go for the English or Irish guineas now, instead he is likely to follow the same route they went with Shamardal and run in the French Guineas, which will be much easier pickings for him.

What i liked about New Approach was that he looked like he was the first horse beaten, but he never gave in. Kevin Manning said the further they went the better he felt, which goes well for both the guineas and the derby. Also, Bolger had said that the horse hadn't done any serious fast work before this race. He had done a piece of half pace work to help him settle and that was it.

Fast Company will give him something to think about, and Raven's Pass should be better on fast ground, but both will have to pull out more to beat New Approach.

I really like Bolger, he never ducks a battle. New Approach had everything to lose yesterday and most trainers wouldn't have run him. Actually, i'd say every trainer bar him wouldn't have run him. He decided to run just because Godolphin were going there, to prove he was the best 2yo by some distance, and boy did he do that.