Joe says no

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

I think Joe more or less did that...he's a classy guy.

He seems like it....and you could be right.



How about this....they hope NIM-ROD opts out.....and then they can easily sign both Sabbathia and Santana.


Their pitching woes would get fixed in a hurry.

Joe Girardi? That's a slap in the face to Donnie Baseball. Don't those fools know Donnie is like a Chuck Norris Jr.?

[viscount26]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Joe Girardi? That's a slap in the face to Donnie Baseball. Don't those fools know Donnie is like a Chuck Norris Jr.?

And he's done what as a Manager

Originally Posted by viscount26

And he's done what as a Manager

He cured cancer and defeated terrorism at the same time.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

He seems like it....and you could be right.



How about this....they hope NIM-ROD opts out.....and then they can easily sign both Sabbathia and Santana.


Their pitching woes would get fixed in a hurry.

Most likely the money they saved.....could go toward "A"-rod or the fellas in Tampa may give it to that "old man" Clemons....

shame on the Yankee brass! they handled the whole thing with Joe like CRAP!!!

[2 Dollar Bill]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

Most likely the money they saved.....could go toward "A"-rod or the fellas in Tampa may give it to that "old man" Clemons....

shame on the Yankee brass! they handled the whole thing with Joe like CRAP!!!

"" Thats a Shame"" !

[Danzig]

now i see why so many enjoy rooting against the yankees. talk about badly handled, and made a crappy offer that was bound to be rejected.

[SentToStud]

Girardi is a bad fit. He couldn't get along with the bosses in Miami and he was against using a few of the many rookies that produced big in 2006. How's he going to do working for the people in NY.

Mattingly doesn't seem ready able or even willing.

They need a big name. LaRussa or Bobby Valentine is who they should go after.

[pdrift1]

as he should

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm sure I am in the minority here and this is no dig on Torre. But the bottom line for Steinbrenner is championship rings. Torre was far and away the highest paid manager and under the deal they offered, he still would have been. What is wrong with basing a cut on Steinbrenner or whoever's thought that Torre wasn't doing a good job?

I know everyone loves Torre, but it's not a personal thing. It's business. Steinbrenner spends all of that money for a ring. I realize you cannot buy a ring, but sometimes you just need a change to light a fire in some guys. Personally I think Cashman should be gone too. He's made some awful moves.

Torre's a players manager and you'll be hard pressed to find someone who has a bad thing to say about him. But sometimes change is necessary. This was definitely one of those times.

torre, 3 rings, post season 12 years in a row.
20 years prior--NO rings.

who didn't think halfway thru this season that the yanks would miss the playoffs for the first time in over a decade? i doubt anyone honestly thought that they could pull things together, and get to the post season.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Danzig

torre, 3 rings, post season 12 years in a row.
20 years prior--NO rings.

who didn't think halfway thru this season that the yanks would miss the playoffs for the first time in over a decade? i doubt anyone honestly thought that they could pull things together, and get to the post season.

Finally, words spoken by someone that appreciates what one has given to a job or team for many years...RESULTS!
I guess others just can't see that...too bad.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Hoff, do me a favor. Take your emotion out of this for a second. The guy did his job. He was given the best players a manager could ask for. It didn't work out. What did he deserve? What should they have done? Sometimes it's best to part ways.

It won't be for them.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Hoff, do me a favor. Take your emotion out of this for a second. The guy did his job. He was given the best players a manager could ask for. It didn't work out. What did he deserve? What should they have done? Sometimes it's best to part ways.

i still think this situation is akin to the chargers after their season ended prematurely last year. makes as much sense to do this. how much is enough, or not enough? the guy averaged a ring every three years, postseason 12 years in a row. those are really good results. yeah, everyone wants their team to win out, but how realistic is that to be a legitimate expectation?? and how can anyone think that running off torre, after a hell of a run, and going with someone new, is an improvement? or that they now have a shot to duplicate his successes in the next 12 years? with who? a big name alone won't do it.

i hope they get the baseball version of norv turner. that would be the ultimate end result.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Danzig

torre, 3 rings, post season 12 years in a row.
20 years prior--NO rings.

who didn't think halfway thru this season that the yanks would miss the playoffs for the first time in over a decade? i doubt anyone honestly thought that they could pull things together, and get to the post season.

Dannie...stick with boo-bees.

[Bigsmc]

Sweet Lou.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I know about what he has done, but obviously Steinbrenner is a what have you done for me lately kind of guy. His record of firing in the past sort of shows this.

I just think the backlash is because Torre is such a likeable guy. Where was the backlash when Girardi got fired last year? Talk about overachieving. If I'm Steinbrenner, and I spend the money he does to get a winner, I expect to go to the playoffs and beyond, every year. They should be making the playoffs every year. They have the best players money can buy.

Obviously they have to perform, but it's not like Torre has been burdened with trying to make a winner out of second rate players. He has a virtual all star team. IMO Torre is a bad X's and O's guy and his decision making is mediocre.

It will be a LONG time before the Yankees get back to the Joe Torre level. He got them to 12 straight playoff appearances for Chirst Sakes! As a YANKEE fan for over 30 years, I remember ALL those years they were bad! Joe was one in million...business or not, he deserved better than this!

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

It will be a LONG time before the Yankees get back to the Joe Torre level. He got them to 12 straight playoff appearances for Chirst Sakes! As a YANKEE fan for over 30 years, I remember ALL those years they were bad! Joe was one in million...business or not, he deserved better than this!

i agree-they will find that out starting next year, if arod-posada-rivera goes goodnight yanks

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What did he deserve? What would have been fitting? Steinbrenner was very crucial about Torre not getting his players off of the field during the bug scenarion. They probably had the biggest choke of all time in the '05 playoffs and with the best players money could buy, were underachieving IMO. What kind of a sendoff would you have liked? What's the timetable?

Did he deserve this??? My god...12 straight years in the playoffs, four World Champions! Your point is moot with me Would you be happy with a pay cut after years of great service with a company? Don't you think it's a slap in the face for that??? I tell you now, this team WON'T be the same again. The gravy train of championships is over...for real now!