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10-18-2007, 09:00 AM
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Riot
Watch the card today and tell me if you think the cocking of the heads is a natural position for a horse straightening up for a drive. These horses are being fanned out deep because they WILL NOT run thorugh the kickback which is evident to anybody watching the races. I would dispute anyone saying its a superior surface, its simply not. You have tracks in cal closing because they cant hold water, re-oiling of Turfway, cancellations at TWP because its frozen, breakdowns at Keeneland. They slowed Del Mar to a crawl because they were scared to tinker with the surface as it would change composition leading to more issues. Maybe its just me, but whats wrong with a traditional dirt surface like Saratogas training track. 
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10-18-2007, 09:20 AM
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Well if it's not the issues of kickback, slip and sliding, etc with synthetic it is the SoCal jockeys putting on a daily display of horrific riding that is happening because...
A) They really are that retarded B) Race fixing Yet there is no discussion due to fear of getting raked over the coals for even suggesting such things happen in the sport.
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10-18-2007, 10:57 AM
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 Off to Keeneland.
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10-18-2007, 11:09 AM
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Maybe you just dont know what you are looking at. Everyone sees the races different.
I do not mean that as a dig to you, pay close attention to the horses in behind before they get fanned out. Have a nice day at Keeneland
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10-18-2007, 11:43 AM
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they fan out wide on the poly because they can do it and still win. because of the surface and the banking you can fan out and not lose all chance. why is it puzzling that riders get in lanes to avoid kickback? there is also kickback on dirt and if you could fan out and have a chance at a rally they all would do it on dirt as well. the reality is that if you fan out on dirt you're normally toast, but they do it as much as they can get away with. if they couldn't fan out on the poly and rally and win they wouldn't do it and the results would be more speed favoring like on dirt.
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#8
10-18-2007, 06:29 PM
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There are many studies that have examined the interaction between the hoof of a horse at a racing gallop, historic track surfaces, and injury rates. Synthetic surfaces are designed to eliminate the physical properties we know contribute to breakdown and injury.
A great source of information (you can read the abstracts and conclusions, but have to order the article if you want the details) is PubMed. Go to http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez and enter multiple search terms such as: equine surface track Is Belmont safer than Saratoga? Than Aqueduct? There was a study on this in the 1980's - you can look that up, very interesting
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10-18-2007, 06:34 PM
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 - the tornados and rain have held off during the day, and will come tonight (VERY wet at Kee tomorrow most likely).Seriously, Bid - standing at the rail at Kee, on site several days, watching the races this meet, kickback has not seemed to be a concern at all. Horses are not coming back covered in Poly, as they come back covered in dirt. Horses are fanning out for the race down the home stretch, and are not afraid of the middle of the track. I didn't see kickback as a problem at AP the one day I attended this summer. I know Turfway had a problem last winter that was solved.
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#10
10-18-2007, 06:46 PM
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There isn't any excessive kick back at Keeneland that I have noticed.
Turfway is the kick back king. Woodbine in the winter is like watching a truck going down a freshly rocked road. Teuflesberg has had a long campaign The other horses - don't know
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10-21-2007, 10:38 AM
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Does anyone have the numbers on the fatalities this year on "engineered surfaces". I'd love to see them.
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10-21-2007, 05:52 PM
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10-21-2007, 06:00 PM
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