BC: Turf; FMT; Mile (PP's/Odds)

[brockguy]

still though, trainers dont always know best..

EDIT- any idea of jock.. Kinane please..

[brockguy]

Champs Elysees is keeping up the family tradition of competing in the BC.. He is interesting..

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by brockguy

still though, trainers dont always know best..

EDIT- any idea of jock.. Kinane please..

Even though he's never won on him (... but been 2nd a few times)... RYAN (please)!

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by brockguy

still though, trainers dont always know best..

EDIT- any idea of jock.. Kinane please..

Trainers aren't usually too far wrong when it comes down to ground preferences. I'm not convinced the ground was that quick at Ascot. Our ground when described as good to firm would probably be called good in America. Their firm would be our "hard", which we now cannot race on.

I'm hoping Kinane rides Excellent Art. Kinane is due to be Ballydoyle's "main" jockey over there.

MMSC, i'm not sure if Ryan Moore will be making the trip over there. If he does, then he probably will ride him.

[HaloWishingwell]

Anyone know how long SILENT NAME has been in Frankel's barn? He had the lead to midstretch with last year's group.

[Bobby Fischer]

Looking Jeremy over as a longshot for the Mile exotics...

When foreign horses run in America, I like to generalize that they want a furlong or so more in The States.

This guy Jeremy ran in the 8furlong Queen Anne G1 stakes back in June, and he made the lead in the stretch, and was just beaten by a very good horse in Ramonti.
Kind of interesting the racing post mentions in the Queen Anne comments that he is a 7 furlong horse and that he much prefers a firm going.
Follows the Queen Anne with a solid 3rd in the Grade1 Sussex(Ramonti,Excellent Art) , and then a real clunker going 7furlongs in a Grade1 on Soft going in his last.

a 7 furlong horse maybe I move him up a little here, with a fair amount of class internationally, and maybe if we get a firm Monmouth Turf - maybe he gets another slight upgrade over any Europeans with a soft preference... PLUS a real clunker in the last to throw the hounds off the trail.

Probably a waste, but I may include him on some vertical exotics

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Looking Jeremy over as a longshot for the Mile exotics...

When foreign horses run in America, I like to generalize that they want a furlong or so more in The States.

This guy Jeremy ran in the 8furlong Queen Anne G1 stakes back in June, and he made the lead in the stretch, and was just beaten by a very good horse in Ramonti.
Kind of interesting the racing post mentions in the Queen Anne comments that he is a 7 furlong horse and that he much prefers a firm going.
Follows the Queen Anne with a solid 3rd in the Grade1 Sussex(Ramonti,Excellent Art) , and then a real clunker going 7furlongs in a Grade1 on Soft going in his last.

a 7 furlong horse maybe I move him up a little here, with a fair amount of class internationally, and maybe if we get a firm Monmouth Turf - maybe he gets another slight upgrade over any Europeans with a soft preference... PLUS a real clunker in the last to throw the hounds off the trail.

Probably a waste, but I may include him on some vertical exotics

I actually love the fact that he ran that way last race, people will overlook that it was on a yielding course. All his other races are very competitive, I'm a pretty big fan......

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Looking Jeremy over as a longshot for the Mile exotics...

When foreign horses run in America, I like to generalize that they want a furlong or so more in The States.

This guy Jeremy ran in the 8furlong Queen Anne G1 stakes back in June, and he made the lead in the stretch, and was just beaten by a very good horse in Ramonti.
Kind of interesting the racing post mentions in the Queen Anne comments that he is a 7 furlong horse and that he much prefers a firm going.
Follows the Queen Anne with a solid 3rd in the Grade1 Sussex(Ramonti,Excellent Art) , and then a real clunker going 7furlongs in a Grade1 on Soft going in his last.

a 7 furlong horse maybe I move him up a little here, with a fair amount of class internationally, and maybe if we get a firm Monmouth Turf - maybe he gets another slight upgrade over any Europeans with a soft preference... PLUS a real clunker in the last to throw the hounds off the trail.

Probably a waste, but I may include him on some vertical exotics

I can assure you that he doesn't prefer firm ground. Good ground is perfect for him. If they are calling the turf "firm" in America it could be far to jarring for any of our horses in the mile.

I'm not saying Jeremy won't handle it firm, but according to the trainer he is better on good ground.

The joy with Excellent Art is that he seems to enjoy any ground. Has won on good to firm and heavy.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

I can assure you that he doesn't prefer firm ground. Good ground is perfect for him. If they are calling the turf "firm" in America it could be far to jarring for any of our horses in the mile.

I'm not saying Jeremy won't handle it firm, but according to the trainer he is better on good ground.

The joy with Excellent Art is that he seems to enjoy any ground. Has won on good to firm and heavy.

That makes good sense.

Excellent Art does look very consistent. I would worry about him getting asked early enough to be involved, but Murtagh has a feel for the game and should give him a chance.

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

That makes good sense.

Excellent Art does look very consistent. I would worry about him getting asked early enough to be involved, but Murtagh has a feel for the game and should give him a chance.

What i like about Excellent Art is that he travels so powerfully in his races, and no matter how fast the gallop is in any particular race, his turn of foot can end a race within a few strides. Jamie Spencer has given this horse a couple of dreadful rides this summer (he should have beaten Ramonti last time). He is a hold up horse, so he would need some solid pace in the early stages of the race.

I like Jeremy, but i'm just not sure about his overall class. On all his known form, his run in the Queen Anne does look as if it could have been a bit of a fluke.

Excellent Art has only had four runs thies year and arguably he should have had four wins, all of which were in Gr1 races.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

That makes good sense.

Excellent Art does look very consistent. I would worry about him getting asked early enough to be involved, but Murtagh has a feel for the game and should give him a chance.

dam it murtagh! ,

had the most horse and you are going to wait too late to be involved?

all the jockeys over-reacted to the soft turf and let the quarter go in 115 , no wonder a chump like kip deville wins , while the best hores excellent art is passing him AFTER the wire...

In case you haven't found out yet, Frankel took over Silent Name after his last race in July.

Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

Anyone know how long SILENT NAME has been in Frankel's barn? He had the lead to midstretch with last year's group.

Oops! I think I messed up my first reply. Frankel took over Silent Name after his last race in July.

[my miss storm cat]

Frankie got the Jeremy mount.....

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Frankie got the Jeremy mount.....

I thought about you when i saw that

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Frankie got the Jeremy mount.....

What's wrong with Dettori?! That he'll hurt the odds?

[gallant bloom]

we can now
kiss jeremy
goodbye.

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

What's wrong with Dettori?! That he'll hurt the odds?

Frankie is a dreadful jockey. Probably the most overrated jock in european racing history.

[gallant bloom]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

What's wrong with Dettori?! That he'll hurt the odds?

stupid ppl will
think he has
a better shot
now.

he'll be
off the board.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

What's wrong with Dettori?! That he'll hurt the odds?

I just wish they had gone with someone else.

He's not been at his best lately to put it nicely.

I think Jeremy still has a shot and will use him but, well..... I wish they had gone with someone else.

Of course Jeremy is sitting on a big win so maybe he can overcome what i see as a slight disadvantage.

By the way I can't find the replay for the Premio Vittorio di Capua (hint, hint) but if he pulled the same crap as he did on Blue Ksar i just assume forget it.

Too bad..... Echo really had a shot.

Cheers to Linngari. Nice horse...