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Old 10-17-2007, 05:10 PM
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Jermey's best race came when the ground was a road at Ascot... I think he'll do well if it is quick
Michael Stoute has always said he is best on a good surface, wasn't there some talk of taking him out at Royal Ascot because of the ground?
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Old 10-17-2007, 05:19 PM
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still though, trainers dont always know best..

EDIT- any idea of jock.. Kinane please..
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Old 10-17-2007, 05:24 PM
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Champs Elysees is keeping up the family tradition of competing in the BC.. He is interesting..
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Old 10-17-2007, 05:26 PM
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still though, trainers dont always know best..

EDIT- any idea of jock.. Kinane please..
Even though he's never won on him (... but been 2nd a few times)... RYAN (please)!
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Old 10-17-2007, 05:44 PM
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EDIT- any idea of jock.. Kinane please..
Trainers aren't usually too far wrong when it comes down to ground preferences. I'm not convinced the ground was that quick at Ascot. Our ground when described as good to firm would probably be called good in America. Their firm would be our "hard", which we now cannot race on.

I'm hoping Kinane rides Excellent Art. Kinane is due to be Ballydoyle's "main" jockey over there.

MMSC, i'm not sure if Ryan Moore will be making the trip over there. If he does, then he probably will ride him.
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Old 10-18-2007, 11:13 AM
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Anyone know how long SILENT NAME has been in Frankel's barn? He had the lead to midstretch with last year's group.
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Old 10-18-2007, 11:39 AM
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Looking Jeremy over as a longshot for the Mile exotics...

When foreign horses run in America, I like to generalize that they want a furlong or so more in The States.

This guy Jeremy ran in the 8furlong Queen Anne G1 stakes back in June, and he made the lead in the stretch, and was just beaten by a very good horse in Ramonti.
Kind of interesting the racing post mentions in the Queen Anne comments that he is a 7 furlong horse and that he much prefers a firm going.
Follows the Queen Anne with a solid 3rd in the Grade1 Sussex(Ramonti,Excellent Art) , and then a real clunker going 7furlongs in a Grade1 on Soft going in his last.

a 7 furlong horse maybe I move him up a little here, with a fair amount of class internationally, and maybe if we get a firm Monmouth Turf - maybe he gets another slight upgrade over any Europeans with a soft preference... PLUS a real clunker in the last to throw the hounds off the trail.

Probably a waste, but I may include him on some vertical exotics
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Old 10-18-2007, 11:46 AM
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Looking Jeremy over as a longshot for the Mile exotics...

When foreign horses run in America, I like to generalize that they want a furlong or so more in The States.

This guy Jeremy ran in the 8furlong Queen Anne G1 stakes back in June, and he made the lead in the stretch, and was just beaten by a very good horse in Ramonti.
Kind of interesting the racing post mentions in the Queen Anne comments that he is a 7 furlong horse and that he much prefers a firm going.
Follows the Queen Anne with a solid 3rd in the Grade1 Sussex(Ramonti,Excellent Art) , and then a real clunker going 7furlongs in a Grade1 on Soft going in his last.

a 7 furlong horse maybe I move him up a little here, with a fair amount of class internationally, and maybe if we get a firm Monmouth Turf - maybe he gets another slight upgrade over any Europeans with a soft preference... PLUS a real clunker in the last to throw the hounds off the trail.

Probably a waste, but I may include him on some vertical exotics
I actually love the fact that he ran that way last race, people will overlook that it was on a yielding course. All his other races are very competitive, I'm a pretty big fan......
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Old 10-18-2007, 02:22 PM
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Looking Jeremy over as a longshot for the Mile exotics...

When foreign horses run in America, I like to generalize that they want a furlong or so more in The States.

This guy Jeremy ran in the 8furlong Queen Anne G1 stakes back in June, and he made the lead in the stretch, and was just beaten by a very good horse in Ramonti.
Kind of interesting the racing post mentions in the Queen Anne comments that he is a 7 furlong horse and that he much prefers a firm going.
Follows the Queen Anne with a solid 3rd in the Grade1 Sussex(Ramonti,Excellent Art) , and then a real clunker going 7furlongs in a Grade1 on Soft going in his last.

a 7 furlong horse maybe I move him up a little here, with a fair amount of class internationally, and maybe if we get a firm Monmouth Turf - maybe he gets another slight upgrade over any Europeans with a soft preference... PLUS a real clunker in the last to throw the hounds off the trail.

Probably a waste, but I may include him on some vertical exotics
I can assure you that he doesn't prefer firm ground. Good ground is perfect for him. If they are calling the turf "firm" in America it could be far to jarring for any of our horses in the mile.

I'm not saying Jeremy won't handle it firm, but according to the trainer he is better on good ground.

The joy with Excellent Art is that he seems to enjoy any ground. Has won on good to firm and heavy.
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Old 10-18-2007, 02:56 PM
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I can assure you that he doesn't prefer firm ground. Good ground is perfect for him. If they are calling the turf "firm" in America it could be far to jarring for any of our horses in the mile.

I'm not saying Jeremy won't handle it firm, but according to the trainer he is better on good ground.

The joy with Excellent Art is that he seems to enjoy any ground. Has won on good to firm and heavy.
That makes good sense.

Excellent Art does look very consistent. I would worry about him getting asked early enough to be involved, but Murtagh has a feel for the game and should give him a chance.
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Old 10-20-2007, 01:25 PM
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In case you haven't found out yet, Frankel took over Silent Name after his last race in July.
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Old 10-20-2007, 01:28 PM
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Anyone know how long SILENT NAME has been in Frankel's barn? He had the lead to midstretch with last year's group.
Oops! I think I messed up my first reply. Frankel took over Silent Name after his last race in July.
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Frankie got the Jeremy mount.....
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I thought about you when i saw that
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Frankie got the Jeremy mount.....
What's wrong with Dettori?! That he'll hurt the odds?
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