BC: Classic (PP's/Odds)

[NTamm1215]

Only eight will go and no one is missing in my opinion.

NT

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

As DrugS called weeks ago (pains me to admit it) there really is very little speed in there. If Lawyer Ron and Velazquez let Hard Spun roll up front, he could be long gone. It completely changes my way of thinking for the race. Kind of sad that a $5 million race here can attract only 9 entrants.

Who is missing?

You do understand that it costs a lot of money to run in a race like this and why would you want to pay all that money to get drilled?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Off of the top of my head I don't know who is missing. I guess I just figured if you'd nominate to the Dirt Mile, why not take a crack at the Classic. Wanderin Boy, Gottcha Gold, Corinthian, etc, These are horses we would have seen in the Classic before this year.

I realize it's expensive to run. But thanks.

If it were no entry fee or something small like $10k you may see a few more guys take flyers.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Isn't there an entry fee for the Dirt Mile also?

Yeah but much smaller

[Cannon Shell]

The horses you mentioned will have a whole lot better chance at the mile paying 50k to enter to run for 2 mill than they would paying 125k to run for 5 mill with almost no chance to hit the board.

Over/Under # of horses in the gate

6

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Over/Under # of horses in the gate

6

I'll take over...7

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'll take over...7

Any Given Saturday scratches and Diamond Stripes to the mile? That sounds about right.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Off of the top of my head I don't know who is missing. I guess I just figured if you'd nominate to the Dirt Mile, why not take a crack at the Classic. Wanderin Boy, Gottcha Gold, Corinthian, etc, These are horses we would have seen in the Classic before this year.

I realize it's expensive to run. But thanks.

Wanderin Boy was in the same situation last year and opted to run in a non-BC stakes on the undercard instead. In year's past you probably would have just seen Corinthian and Gotcha Gold rest for the Cigar Mile instead of going in the Classic.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Why would Gotcha Gold have not tried to run in the Classic on a track that he is almost unbeatable? That makes no sense.

You are probably right on that. I had forgotten about the Iselin and was thinking he hadn't won yet at a mile and an eighth. If he is almost unbeatable then why the heck are they running him for $1 million instead of $5 million?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

why the heck are they running him for $1 million instead of $5 million?

Because they'd rather run at a distance they believe there horse is better suited to - while facing lesser opposition.

If there was no Dirt Mile, it's safe to assume they'd have taken a flyer and tried the Classic.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Because they'd rather run at a distance they believe there horse is better suited to - while facing lesser opposition.

If there was no Dirt Mile, it's safe to assume they'd have taken a flyer and tried the Classic.

Still it is a five to one ratio in terms of purse. That would be like skipping the Travers for a $200,000 race when you think you had a shot in the Travers. Winning the BC Dirt Mile is going to pay roughly the same as 3rd in the Classic with 2nd paying less than 4th in the Classic and 3rd paying less than 5th in the Classic. Sure seems to me that they don't have much confidence in their horse at 10 furlongs.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Still it is a five to one ratio in terms of purse. That would be like skipping the Travers for a $200,000 race when you think you had a shot in the Travers. Winning the BC Dirt Mile is going to pay roughly the same as 3rd in the Classic with 2nd paying less than 4th in the Classic and 3rd paying less than 5th in the Classic.

To run in the Classic, I believe it costs something like 50K to pre-enter and 75K to enter.

Gottcha Gold is a one-way speed, all or nothing type of horse. I believe he's made 22 starts in his career and has just 3 seconds and 1 third place finish....he goes as fast as he can for as far as he can.

I think you are missing that when you say if he finishes 3rd in the Classic he gets the same money as if he wins the Mile.

He's the type of horse that throws in the towell once he's passed....and don't forget he beat Lawyer Ron over this track in the Salvator Mile....however, LR was cutting into the margin and surely would have won with more ground to work with.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

As DrugS called weeks ago (pains me to admit it) there really is very little speed in there. If Lawyer Ron and Velazquez let Hard Spun roll up front, he could be long gone. It completely changes my way of thinking for the race. Kind of sad that a $5 million race here can attract only 9 entrants.

The lack of speed obviously helps Hard Spun, but try to look at the bright side man.
It just means less horses to get in Calvin's way when he brings Street Sense up the rail to win.
Even with the lack of early pace, I am still leaning toward a Curlin/Street Sense exacta box at this point.

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

As DrugS called weeks ago (pains me to admit it) there really is very little speed in there. If Lawyer Ron and Velazquez let Hard Spun roll up front, he could be long gone. It completely changes my way of thinking for the race. Kind of sad that a $5 million race here can attract only 9 entrants.

AGS also has tatical speed along with LR. between the 2 i think one of them will keep the pressure on hard spun so he dosen't get a uncontested lead and roll away with this race

[The Indomitable DrugS]

AGS has Gomez (who loves to rate and is widely considered a strong finishing jockey) and AGS is a more effective horse when he rates. He's hung bad in a few races he's used his speed.

In the Haskell he wasn't far behind HS early, but that's only because Hard Spun had a VERY costly early stumble when the gates opened from his outside post, and he was taken under a hold to avoid dueling with hopeless one-way speed Cable Boy.

The only horse who can press Hard Spun is LR.