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Old 10-16-2007, 03:43 PM
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What is interesting about him?
He is the only returning horse from last year's classic and appears to be the only older horse (other than Lawyer Ron) who is going to run.

The most interesting thing though is these guys don't just enter horses for fun. They must think he can atleast hit the board. His chances are significantly higher than some of the horses that have come from overseas and run big races ($200 payout one year I believe). The only thing I don't like about him is he probably will be overbet because of his name recognition and being the only european in there. It wouldn't shock me at all if he won. I can't say I am overly impressed with anything in the race.

Lawyer Ron- looked average over Monmouth track
Curlin- Not getting by the filly makes me wonder
Street Sense- Not that tough outside Churchill
Hard Spun- Don't think he wants the distance (although GW might not either)
AGS- great effort at Monmouth, but last was slow
Tiago-has to beat a top horse somewhere

GW- probably won't like the distance, but it would be no shock to me with this field.
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Old 10-16-2007, 03:46 PM
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He is the only returning horse from last year's classic and appears to be the only older horse (other than Lawyer Ron) who is going to run.

The most interesting thing though is these guys don't just enter horses for fun. They must think he can atleast hit the board. His chances are significantly higher than some of the horses that have come from overseas and run big races ($200 payout one year I believe). The only thing I don't like about him is he probably will be overbet because of his name recognition and being the only european in there. It wouldn't shock me at all if he won. I can't say I am overly impressed with anything in the race.

Lawyer Ron- looked average over Monmouth track
Curlin- Not getting by the filly makes me wonder
Street Sense- Not that tough outside Churchill
Hard Spun- Don't think he wants the distance (although GW might not either)
AGS- great effort at Monmouth, but last was slow
Tiago-has to beat a top horse somewhere

GW- probably won't like the distance, but it would be no shock to me with this field.
The distance is no problem, he showed that in the Eclipse. The surface, however probably will be a major problem.
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Old 10-16-2007, 03:49 PM
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The distance is no problem, he showed that in the Eclipse. The surface, however probably will be a major problem.
Agreed
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Old 10-16-2007, 03:51 PM
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The distance is no problem, he showed that in the Eclipse. The surface, however probably will be a major problem.

Didn't see it but his pedigree says he could run that far too and his classic last year was credible. Really comes down to how good this years group of horses are. I don't see any Invasor or Bernardini here though, so a GW win would be no shocker to me.
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Old 10-16-2007, 11:24 PM
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it would shock me if GW won. .
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Old 10-16-2007, 11:28 PM
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He has absolutely no chance. The only way anyone would even consider him would be because they don't follow racing.

He has not run one race all year even reminiscent of his form last year. Hardly surprising considering he was retired.

Coolmore has run more than a few that were obviously over the top that ran up the track....like Montjeu and Hurricane Run. And they were even more, seemingly, likely on paper.
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Old 10-17-2007, 10:51 AM
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I bought into GW last year to throw him in my exotics, but not again. Danehill's just don't run on the dirt.
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Old 10-17-2007, 12:12 PM
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He is the only returning horse from last year's classic and appears to be the only older horse (other than Lawyer Ron) who is going to run.

The most interesting thing though is these guys don't just enter horses for fun. They must think he can atleast hit the board. His chances are significantly higher than some of the horses that have come from overseas and run big races ($200 payout one year I believe). The only thing I don't like about him is he probably will be overbet because of his name recognition and being the only european in there. It wouldn't shock me at all if he won. I can't say I am overly impressed with anything in the race.

Lawyer Ron- looked average over Monmouth track
Curlin- Not getting by the filly makes me wonder
Street Sense- Not that tough outside Churchill
Hard Spun- Don't think he wants the distance (although GW might not either)
AGS- great effort at Monmouth, but last was slow
Tiago-has to beat a top horse somewhere

GW- probably won't like the distance, but it would be no shock to me with this field.
For what it is worth, he isn't the "only horse returning from last year's Classic." Lawyer Ron ran last year too.
Furthermore, I fail to see how the fact that he ran in the race last year makes him at all interesting this year. If Flower Alley suddenly came out of retirement and entered the Classic, would he be even more interesting interesting because this would be his third straight year? I don't think so.
I hope GW goes. He would be the definition of a toss.
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Old 10-16-2007, 04:22 PM
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I pretty much disagree on all fronts. GW was MUCH better last year. Lawyer Ron did not look ordinary over Monmouth, he was beat a neck by a horse who is a monster over the track and is the one to beat in the BC Dirt Mile. Curlin was by the filly and just beat Lawyer Ron. He appears to be coming back to form. Street Sense is a good horse no matter what track he runs at. I'm not keen on Hard Spun either, but the distance will not be what does him in IMO. AGS was slow, but if he can reciprocate his race 2 back, he probably wins.

Or they could all be ove . Lawyer Ron couldn't beat a good horse last year and the older horse division is awful. Worst in years. The 3yr old division looks great but they just take turns beating each other. A very good horse could easily beat them.

You are right though that GW appears to have been better last year, but I don't think an incredible effort will be needed to beat this bunch.
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Old 10-16-2007, 04:35 PM
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Or they could all be ove . Lawyer Ron couldn't beat a good horse last year and the older horse division is awful. Worst in years. The 3yr old division looks great but they just take turns beating each other. A very good horse could easily beat them.

You are right though that GW appears to have been better last year, but I don't think an incredible effort will be needed to beat this bunch.
Anaverage effort from a good horse might well win the classic, but it would need an incredible effort from GW to win this on his current form and on a surface on which Danehills usually can't get out of their own way. He went on it okay last year, but i'm of the opinion that every horse will go on a surface it doesn't like once.
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Old 10-16-2007, 05:42 PM
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George Washington has NO shot. . . I can't believe they're actually going to run him in the classic. . . I guess I could see sending him to the mile but this is just an attempt to squeeze another race out of a horse that they can't profit off of in the breeding shed. . .
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Old 10-16-2007, 06:21 PM
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If they go in the classic and lose... no big deal... they tried..... If they go for the mile and he loses.... could cost big bucks breeding....
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Old 10-16-2007, 06:36 PM
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If they go in the classic and lose... no big deal... they tried..... If they go for the mile and he loses.... could cost big bucks breeding....
he's a stud barn reject. he's already lost any potential big bucks, as he's a blank shooter.
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Old 10-16-2007, 06:45 PM
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he's a stud barn reject. he's already lost any potential big bucks, as he's a blank shooter.
He isn't completely infertile, he is just sub-fertile. Someone i know has heard that the Coolmore boys said that they were going to test his fertility again this Autumn. Maybe they have, and maybe his 'boys' are swimming in the right direction now

He got six (i think) mares in foal. It will be interesting to see what his few progeny turn out like.
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Old 10-16-2007, 11:34 PM
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If they go in the classic and lose... no big deal... they tried..... If they go for the mile and he loses.... could cost big bucks breeding....
exactly

also the same reason why i do not understand the "sporting" sentiment attached to this decision.
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Old 10-16-2007, 11:47 PM
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Seems the wrong track to take this group on.

I think this will be a great race.
Invasor's bad luck has made this interesting.
I will be very excited to get to see this one.
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