George Carlin on Education and the owners of America

Originally Posted by golfer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccYoVnBc_fk

I like George.
He is an interesting man.
But that is utter bullshit.

Who is they?
They want this,
they want that...

The they are Bill Gates,
Steve Jobs and all the guys
who came out of nowhere.
And they got to the top
by being savy enough to
see the world about them.

Whatever the top is.
Lash out and try to blame
someone for your position.

Learn about the frikin world around you.
Enable yourself to fit into any situation
and roll with all the changes that we face.
Make yourself valuable. And then no one owns you.
No one tells you what to do. Start your own business,
or become too valuable to be let go.
You determine your fate more extensively.

And then get your butt into office and change
things instead of blaming THEY.

This country is far from perfect.
But enough of the crybaby THEY, THEY, THEY.
The blame game is so old.
Change it if you dont like it.
Who the fck wants to be helpless.
Quit griping and do something, get involved.
Damn it George. Get into politics if you understand
so much.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

It's a lot more like what George said than like what PGRDN said.Unless your very high tech,your screwed when you work for somebody else.It's all set up for business owners.They get to pay as little as possible,and then the gov't taxes the worker on that shitty pay.Then when he struggles,they tell him to get a "better" job.This was the job that was supposed to be "good."Meanwhile,the business owner gets to write off the cost of his 2 cars etc. etc. on his taxes,and then starts telling the worker that he now has to take another 8th of his wages for the medical coverage.See,that's a new one.Businesses used to pay the medical,but now it's somehow more and more on the worker.The "somehow" is because it's designed for them(the owners.) So,don't work for somebody else. It's not set up to work for you that way.The exception is working like PGRDN does(for a school district etc. that isn't out to make a profit.) He isn't getting ripped off,and so he thinks others get a fair deal(they don't.)Capitalism is set up for people to be able to capitalize off of the poor position of other people.That's the part of Carlin that's right,and PGRDN is right about owning a business.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

It's a lot more like what George said than like what PGRDN said.Unless your very high tech,your screwed when you work for somebody else.It's all set up for business owners.They get to pay as little as possible,and then the gov't taxes the worker on that shitty pay.Then when he struggles,they tell him to get a "better" job.This was the job that was supposed to be "good."Meanwhile,the business owner gets to write off the cost of his 2 cars etc. etc. on his taxes,and then starts telling the worker that he now has to take another 8th of his wages for the medical coverage.See,that's a new one.Businesses used to pay the medical,but now it's somehow more and more on the worker.The "somehow" is because it's designed for them(the owners.) So,don't work for somebody else. It's not set up to work for you that way.The exception is working like PGRDN does(for a school district etc. that isn't out to make a profit.) He isn't getting ripped off,and so he thinks others get a fair deal(they don't.)Capitalism is set up for people to be able to capitalize off of the poor position of other people.That's the part of Carlin that's right,and PGRDN is right about owning a business.

i pay for everything else, but someone else should pay for my medical insurance? i think that's where things get a bit twisted. for some reason, medical care is suddenly someone else's responsibility? i keep hearing about the 47 million without health insurance, but i wonder how many of them turned down available coverage. i see it every day where i work. oh, i don't need that, i never get sick. oh, i don't want to pay that portion. so then everyone else on coverage pays a higher rate than they would if more people got in. then when the rube who turned down coverage needs it, well it's someone else's fault he didn't have it.

[Mortimer]

Monster!!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Monster!!

grrrrrr

[Mortimer]

Hossy!!!






Help Me!

[Danzig]

that's it?! pfffft

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i pay for everything else, but someone else should pay for my medical insurance? i think that's where things get a bit twisted. for some reason, medical care is suddenly someone else's responsibility? i keep hearing about the 47 million without health insurance, but i wonder how many of them turned down available coverage. i see it every day where i work. oh, i don't need that, i never get sick. oh, i don't want to pay that portion. so then everyone else on coverage pays a higher rate than they would if more people got in. then when the rube who turned down coverage needs it, well it's someone else's fault he didn't have it.

We will never agree on this.To me,healthcare is no different than fire protection, or police protection.Then add to that a good military,and a good educational system.Obviously the majority of Americans want healthcare to be based on how much wealth somebody has.Notice how we don't fight about the cost it takes to put out a poor person's fire? We have accepted that as a shared risk,but we don't want to accept shared risk with healthcare.We took the profit out of fighting fires.People aren't looking to make more and more money off the next fire that pops up.Healthcare needs to be more like that.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

We will never agree on this.To me,healthcare is no different than fire protection, or police protection.Then add to that a good military,and a good educational system.Obviously the majority of Americans want healthcare to be based on how much wealth somebody has.Notice how we don't fight about the cost it takes to put out a poor person's fire? We have accepted that as a shared risk,but we don't want to accept shared risk with healthcare.We took the profit out of fighting fires.People aren't looking to make more and more money off the next fire that pops up.Healthcare needs to be more like that.

it's funny you mention fire protection, i have to pay out for that every year, as i'm in a rural area, and mostly volunteers. if i don't pay dues, and have a fire, it's ten times the amount after they answer. and of course my home owners ins would also be a lot more.
but, you could also equate health ins to car ins, every one has to have that as well. but we all pay our own.
the problem regarding health ins is that people don't have to have it, then they hold out their hand if they have an illness. i don't think most people realize how much of an effect one illness or injury can have on you. it can be catastrophic. but so many choose not to get it, and then find too late they needed it. my secretary chose not to get it, she's facing hefty bills as a result because she suffered a mild stroke.
arkids here covers a lot of children not covered federally. we have systems to cover the needy. i think part of the problem is those who aren't really needy, but choose not to be covered.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

No,I would not equate car insurance to health care insurance coverage.See,this is the problem(people don't separate a necessity from a minor luxury.)That's a big problem.We put all these things together...health insurance,car insurance,home owners insurance etc.etc....That's why we are so willing to accept the fact that people don't have health insurance..."They spent the money on something else." That makes it really easy to rationalize (and accept) that people don't have medical coverage.Americans are so competitive with others that they don't ever establish a definite idea about what necessities are needed by human beings.Cars(and car insurance) are not necessities for living.There are buses,and subways.If you live in the country,and couldn't get to work without a car,then what would you do? Get a job in another place.One which you could use public transportation to get to.Healthcare should not be thought of in the way you described it(one of many possible things you can spend your money on.) It's a necessity.It should be paid for in taxes like we pay for fire,police,military,and public education.Other countries know this.We are unique in having this idea that health coverage should be linked to personal wealth,or circumstance.I AM NOT talking about perfect medical care.I am talking about what you described(treatment for strokes,and other common treatable conditions) routine surgeries etc. Nurse practitioners can do the great majority of what we think doctors have to do.We have made the term "doctor" equivalent to a minor rock star,and it results in our healthcare dollars going to pay for the expensive toys doctors play with in their free time.The lawsuits got to go.We need a few good doctors(who want to do it because they enjoy it,)and a lot fewer lawyers.Too many people are trying to make huge money off of people's illnesses. That's why we have so many uninsured(we are spending the funds on expensive cars ETC. for DOCTORS AND LAWYERS.)If we stopped doing that,then everybody could be insured properly.

[Danzig]

i don't pretend to know the answer on how to fix the problem. i know there is one, and the current way of doing things isn't working. but i don't think the answer is for the govt to take it over. with the rampant fraud and waste they already have in other programs, the beauracracy involved in every facet of govt, i just don't think that would be a solution-i think it would just be another bad way of handling something.
the problem begins with people failing to recognize that health ins is a must-have. but how do you force people to apply for the coverage offered at work? you can't.
but then those same people find they need it, too late. then they have a mound of bills (that they wouldn't have had they gotten the offered insurance), and that they can't pay. so those of us who do have insurance pay higher premiums and our ins co's pay outrageous bills, and we pay the deductibles and copays, because we are also paying for all those who don't/won't/can't.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

The exception is working like PGRDN does(for a school district etc. that isn't out to make a profit.) He isn't getting ripped off,and so he thinks others get a fair deal(they don't.)Capitalism is set up for people to be able to capitalize off of the poor position of other people.That's the part of Carlin that's right,and PGRDN is right about owning a business.

HOly ****.
I got job offers from friends
that would absolutely smash
my meager salary.
If I had started to work for
some of these guys I would
actually be wealthy. I could make
a hell of a lot more money right now.

But what they do is flippn
boring. I dont want to go
look at land all day and figure
out square footage to charge
tennants in shopping centers
based on location, and on and on...BS.

Its very simple Scuds. Learn how
the game is played. Or change the rules.
Or both. Why people like George keep hitting
their heads against the wall is astonishing.

If George really understands whats going
on, then for God's sake change it. But instead
he whines to crowd's that wallow in self pity.
That wont fly. So he really does not care about
the plight of ordinary people. Just gives up and
says rich guys own you and it sux. They got you
by the balls, give up.

Thanks for the profound insight George.
Ridiculous. Of course there are businessmen
who use and abuse others. The key is finding
a way out. And the way out is having enough
sense to make yourself valuable thus independent.
You walk away from those types. I already have
and I refuse to believe I a something special. Im just
willing to be flexible and learn all my little pea brain
can take in (which is not anymore than most).

And what I like to do happens not to pay well.
But I dont care. Im livin a good life while I work.
I dont TGIF. I like working. I like learning. Who
could ask for more?