Manny

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ARyan

If I had to rank the top 10 hitters in baseball as of right now, I think I would have to go with this;

1. David Ortiz
2. Albert Pujols
3. Alex Rodriguez
4. Manny Ramirez
5. Vladimir Guerrero
6. Ryan Howard
7. Matt Holliday
8. Magglio Ordóñez
9. Chase Utley
10. Todd Helton or Ichiro Suzuki

Again, just in my opinion...however, you could swap 3-20 on most lists and probably have a valid arguement for each...

Howard too high though I have a hard time understanding how Arod and Pujols arent 1 and 2

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Howard too high though I have a hard time understanding how Arod and Pujols arent 1 and 2

A-Rod?


You mean Mr. August?

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Howard too high though I have a hard time understanding how Arod and Pujols arent 1 and 2

I would give it to Ortiz because he is so clutch. No better clutch hitter.


Over the last 5 years;

ARod - .300 avg, 28 2B, 2 3B, 44 HR, 126 RBI, .401 OBP

Ortiz - .302 avg, 41 2B, 2 3B, 44 HR, 128 RBI, .401 OBP

Pujols- .336 avg, 42 2B, 1 3B, 42 HR, 121 RBI, .429 OBP


Based on that, I have no problem with Pujols being #1. I would still say ARod is #3, easily.

[Mortimer]

Golly...no love for Jhonny Peralta?

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Golly...no love for Jhonny Peralta?

Career .270 and under he might make the top 25.

[Mortimer]

But the bonus is he's a slug of a shortstop.




He's a living,breathing conunigma.

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

But the bonus is he's a slug of a shortstop.




He's a living,breathing conunigma.

I would take him over "Lugo for 4" anyday.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by ARyan

I would take him over "Lugo for 4" anyday.

ror!!..but who is that?




Here's Jhonny has to be the worst fielding ss in baseball.

[declansharbor]

Any top ten hitter list that does not have Chase Utley on it can not be taken seriously. Ryan Howard is NOT in the top ten as his bat has a major hole in it. Pujols, Ichiro, and Cabrera should be in the top 5 of everyone who watches baseball lists. Manny doesnt crack the top 8 either, hasnt for the past few years.
My list reads as follows
1. Pujols
2. Ichiro
3. A Rod
4. Utley
5. Cabrera
6. Holliday
7. D Wright
8. Ortiz
9. Guerrero (regular season only lol)
10. H Ramirez

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ARyan

I would give it to Ortiz because he is so clutch. No better clutch hitter.


Over the last 5 years;

ARod - .300 avg, 28 2B, 2 3B, 44 HR, 126 RBI, .401 OBP

Ortiz - .302 avg, 41 2B, 2 3B, 44 HR, 128 RBI, .401 OBP

Pujols- .336 avg, 42 2B, 1 3B, 42 HR, 121 RBI, .429 OBP


Based on that, I have no problem with Pujols being #1. I would still say ARod is #3, easily.

The fact that Pujols strikes out far less than both probably helps too.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The fact that Pujols strikes out far less than both probably helps too.

In addition Pujols doesnt have someone like Manny behind him in the order. I think Pujuols is the best out of the Arod, Ortiz and Pujols.

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The fact that Pujols strikes out far less than both probably helps too.

Agreed.

I just can't get over how many clutch hits Ortiz has (Sox fan or not). He just wins or puts them back into so many games. Without him, there would have been no Ring, and far less if any playoff appearances. He is just clutch. That puts him #1 in my book, but I have no arguement with anyone putting Pujols #1. ARod shouldn't crack the top 2. Like it or not, his October performances should be looked at when talking about the best hitters in the game.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by ARyan

Agreed.

I just can't get over how many clutch hits Ortiz has (Sox fan or not). He just wins or puts them back into so many games. Without him, there would have been no Ring, and far less if any playoff appearances. He is just clutch. That puts him #1 in my book, but I have no arguement with anyone putting Pujols #1. ARod shouldn't crack the top 2. Like it or not, his October performances should be looked at when talking about the best hitters in the game.

Why should Arod's Oct numbers factor into the equation. A month's work doesnt make a season. But if you want to include them, how about his .313 in 97 ALDS, .308 in the 00 ALDS, .409 in the 00 ALCS, .421 in the 04 ALDS? The you can look at Ortiz, .231 in the 02 ALDS, .095 in the 03 ALDS, .269 in the 03 ALCS. Point being that the best of the best have cold and hot streaks at any point in the season. And think of this, Arod is only about 2000 hits away from breaking Pete Rose's all time hits record. If he plays (Arod) 12 more years, he has a real shot at passing Rose.

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by whodey17

Why should Arod's Oct numbers factor into the equation. A month's work doesnt make a season.

Maybe because its the playoffs and he disappears...

How many homers and RBI's in April and May really matter? You tell me the last home run in April that carried a team to a playoff win...

I think ARod is #3, no way I would put him above Pujols or Ortiz.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by ARyan

Maybe because its the playoffs and he disappears...

How many homers and RBI's in April and May really matter? You tell me the last home run in April that carried a team to a playoff win...

I think ARod is #3, no way I would put him above Pujols or Ortiz.

I am sure the Mets would have loved to have a couple of home runs in April to wins some games this past season.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ARyan

Maybe because its the playoffs and he disappears...

How many homers and RBI's in April and May really matter? You tell me the last home run in April that carried a team to a playoff win...

I think ARod is #3, no way I would put him above Pujols or Ortiz.

I think April wins count the same in the standings as September wins.

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by whodey17

Why should Arod's Oct numbers factor into the equation. A month's work doesnt make a season. But if you want to include them, how about his .313 in 97 ALDS, .308 in the 00 ALDS, .409 in the 00 ALCS, .421 in the 04 ALDS? The you can look at Ortiz, .231 in the 02 ALDS, .095 in the 03 ALDS, .269 in the 03 ALCS. Point being that the best of the best have cold and hot streaks at any point in the season. And think of this, Arod is only about 2000 hits away from breaking Pete Rose's all time hits record. If he plays (Arod) 12 more years, he has a real shot at passing Rose.

How nice of you to leave out ARod's 2006 playoff...what a slugger he was that series! .071 avg & obp! Hey, wow, he did have a good ALDS in 2004, but what happend to him in the ALCS? I think I forgot, can you remind me?

Wish him well in LA...


Just to show you...

Career Postseason Stats

ARod - .279 avg, 7 HRs, 9 2B's, 0 3B's, 17 RBI's, .361 OBP in 39 games
Ortiz - .320 avg, 10 HR's, 10 2B;s, 1 3B, 35 RBI's, .417 OBP in 41 games

ARod's teams are 3 wins, 7 losses in 10 post season series...
Ortiz's teams are 6 wins 3 losses in 9 postseason series...

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by ARyan

How nice of you to leave out ARod's 2006 playoff...what a slugger he was that series! .071 avg & obp! Hey, wow, he did have a good ALDS in 2004, but what happend to him in the ALCS? I think I forgot, can you remind me?

Wish him well in LA...

Again, players have good and bad post seasons. Even babe Ruth batted .118 in the 22 World Series. The 3 people we are talking about are so good that is it almost impossible to seperate them.