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Old 10-08-2007, 04:11 PM
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Did the comments attributed to Alan Foreman in yesterday's story in DRF strike anyone else the wrong way? Here's a guy who is retained (and very well-paid) counsel to many of the horseman's organizations around the country - and he's out there defending a guy like Biancone with "the dog ate my homework"/"I thought it was flaxseed oil"-type excuses and suggesting that a mere fine was in order in this case. His comments are an insult to those that believe drugs are a serious problem in the sport. I don't begrudge anyone making a living, but it seems to me that, given the vast number of honest horseman that Mr. Foreman represents, Biancone was not a client that he needed to take on.
A lawyer will say anything to get his client off...but I find his anti-KHRA stance ironic in many ways...
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Old 10-08-2007, 04:31 PM
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A lawyer will say anything to get his client off...but I find his anti-KHRA stance ironic in many ways...

Steve should have this guy on his show...but he probably would be unwilling to face the Mighty BYK!!
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Old 10-08-2007, 05:06 PM
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Let's see if California has any balls .... wonder if they mean, "in California only", or nationwide?
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(from DRF recently)
Biancone hit for $10K fine in California
By JAY PRIVMAN
Trainer Patrick Biancone on Wednesday was fined $10,000 and given a suspended sentence of 15 days by Del Mar's stewards for a medication violation that took place at Santa Anita in January.

Biancone was cited for the horse Iron Butterfly, who finished second in the second race on Jan. 7 and subsequently tested positive for the medication salmeterol, a bronchodilator that is considered a Class 3 medication, which have less potential to affect performance than Class 1 or Class 2 medications.

The 15-day suspension was stayed by Del Mar's stewards as long as Biancone does not have any Class 1, 2, or 3 medication violations for one year from the date of the ruling.

Biancone on Wednesday began a 15-day suspension for a drug positive, also for a bronchodilator, incurred in Kentucky.

In addition, Biancone has been under investigation in Kentucky since June, when investigators searched his barns at Keeneland Racecourse, along with the truck of his veterinarian, Dr. Rod Stewart. According to a source close to the investigation who spoke on the condition of anonymity, investigators discovered a vial of the crystalline form of cobra venom - a prohibited substance - during the searches.
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Old 10-08-2007, 05:24 PM
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give him a break some of his horses seem to have asthma.
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Old 10-08-2007, 05:40 PM
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give him a break some of his horses seem to have asthma.
And severe metabolic cobra venom deficiency.
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Old 10-08-2007, 05:23 PM
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Steve should have this guy on his show...but he probably would be unwilling to face the Mighty BYK!!
That would be a victory for the lawyer just getting on the show, though Byk may blast him
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Old 10-08-2007, 05:36 PM
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A lawyer will say anything to get his client off...but I find his anti-KHRA stance ironic in many ways...
I agree wholeheartedly.

As a side note/question -- does anyone know what the KHRA rules are on this violation, if in fact they have any?

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I agree wholeheartedly.

As a side note/question -- does anyone know what the KHRA rules are on this violation, if in fact they have any?

Eric
They (KHRA) only show you the rules when you break them
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Old 10-08-2007, 05:43 PM
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They (KHRA) only show you the rules when you break them
So does anyone other than Biancone, his attorney(s), etc. know whether or not he was eligible for a much longer and/or more severe suspension, penalty, etc.? I would think not. That too is part of the problem here.

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So does anyone other than Biancone, his attorney(s), etc. know whether or not he was eligible for a much longer and/or more severe suspension, penalty, etc.? I would think not. That too is part of the problem here.

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Call the KHRA and ask for a rulebook. See what they tell you.
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Old 10-08-2007, 07:58 PM
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Call the KHRA and ask for a rulebook. See what they tell you.
Hummm .... if there is no "official place of publication or notification" that horsemen are responsible for accessing in order to be aware of current rules and rule changes, seems a technical thing a lawyer could exploit to advantage.
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i was reading the drf article about teuf, and this gem was underneath:

Biancone off to slow start

Trainer Patrick Biancone was handed a one-year suspension for medication violations by the Kentucky stewards just hours before the meet began Friday, and things didn't get any better once the races began. Biancone went winless with his first 12 starters over the three-day opening weekend, including a rash of beaten favorites in major races.
Biancone runners were favored and lost in four of the FallStars Weekend features: Irish Smoke in the Darley Alcibiades, Baroness Thatcher in the Thoroughbred Club of America, Lady of Venice in the First Lady, and Nownownow in the Bourbon.

Still, Biancone had three seconds from the weekend, notably with Slew's Tiznow in the Lane's End Breeders' Futurity and Cosmonaut in the Shadwell Mile. Stable earnings for the meet were $316,278 going into Wednesday.

Biancone has appealed his suspension with the Kentucky Horse Racing Authority. Among his alleged violations is possession of cobra venom, a prohibited Class A substance that can act as a powerful painkiller.

Biancone, the leading trainer at the 2006 fall and 2007 spring meets at Keeneland, wasn't the only trainer to go winless with a slew of starters on opening weekend, as Ken McPeek, who enjoyed a terrific spring meet here, went 0 for 17. The leading trainer is Bill Mott with four wins, followed by Christophe Clement with three.
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Hummm .... if there is no "official place of publication or notification" that horsemen are responsible for accessing in order to be aware of current rules and rule changes, seems a technical thing a lawyer could exploit to advantage.
ignorance of the law is no excuse


at least, that's what thay say when someone is arrested. maybe it applies here as well.
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Old 10-08-2007, 05:42 PM
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I agree wholeheartedly.

As a side note/question -- does anyone know what the KHRA rules are on this violation, if in fact they have any?

Eric
See post #3 in this thread, which is the link to the RMTC model rules (that KY has adapted) - lists drug classes and suggested penalties. Then search KY.gov for other specific racing rules.
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