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Old 10-07-2007, 10:36 PM
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Point Given was a very hard luck second to AP Valentine and then an even harder luck loser of a photo to Macho Uno. Henny Hughes arguably ran better than First Samurai two years ago and came back to do the same in the BC.

Honestly, looking at that list only Dehere's failure surprised me.

My point is that solid handicapping will make the right decisions and going into your handicapping with a preconceived bias will harm you in the long run.
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Old 10-07-2007, 10:48 PM
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Point Given was a very hard luck second to AP Valentine and then an even harder luck loser of a photo to Macho Uno. Henny Hughes arguably ran better than First Samurai two years ago and came back to do the same in the BC.

Honestly, looking at that list only Dehere's failure surprised me.

My point is that solid handicapping will make the right decisions and going into your handicapping with a preconceived bias will harm you in the long run.
Agree 100% on Point Given's Champage as I recall the rail opening miraculously for Chavez on AP Valentine.. The loss to Macho Uno was agonizing as PG wins with the wire 3 inches further away.. And point well taken on the capping notion..

Andy.. Who was Tri to Watch? Have not one iota of a recollection of that '91 Champagne winner.. None. A Fred Hooper runner trained by Carl Domino.. but what else did he ever do?
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Old 10-07-2007, 10:52 PM
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Agree 100% on Point Given's Champage as I recall the rail opening miraculously for Chavez on AP Valentine.. The loss to Macho Uno was agonizing as PG wins with the wire 3 inches further away.. And point well taken on the capping notion..

Andy.. Who was Tri to Watch? Have not one iota of a recollection of that '91 Champagne winner.. None. A Fred Hooper runner trained by Carl Domino.. but what else did he ever do?
I don't think he ever did anything else. He ran second or third in the Futurity that year I think, won the Champagne, and that was it.
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Old 10-07-2007, 10:55 PM
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I have very little memory of Tri to Watch, and was surely at that Champagne, so he must have been pretty nondescript.
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Old 10-07-2007, 10:50 PM
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My point is that solid handicapping will make the right decisions and going into your handicapping with a preconceived bias will harm you in the long run.

which is reinforced by the payouts of the BC Juvie....the betting fav has won 8 times and we have only had double digit payouts 4 times (three in the past few years)....so while the Champagne winner might not have been winning, logical horses were.
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Old 10-07-2007, 11:00 PM
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which is reinforced by the payouts of the BC Juvie....the betting fav has won 8 times and we have only had double digit payouts 4 times (three in the past few years)....so while the Champagne winner might not have been winning, logical horses were.
Interestingly, since 1999, Champagne non-winners have fared very well.. Chief Seattle, Point Given, Afleet Alex and Henny Hughes (all runners up in the Champagne), all finished 2nd in the Juvy, and Chapel Royal (2nd, 2003) was 3rd in the BCJ. High Yield and Sun King both were 3rd in the Champagne and BCJ...
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Old 10-07-2007, 11:06 PM
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Interestingly, since 1999, Champagne non-winners have fared very well.. Chief Seattle, Point Given, Afleet Alex and Henny Hughes (all runners up in the Champagne), all finished 2nd in the Juvy, and Chapel Royal (2nd, 2003) was 3rd in the BCJ. High Yield and Sun King both were 3rd in the Champagne and BCJ...
How has #2 done at Keeneland so far?
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Old 10-07-2007, 11:09 PM
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How has #2 done at Keeneland so far?
Some information needs to be retained.. There's an easy $17.95 to be glommed with that kind of juicy tidbit...
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Old 10-07-2007, 11:12 PM
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How has #2 done at Keeneland so far?
2 for 30.....that info is handicapping gold.
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Old 10-07-2007, 11:15 PM
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2 for 30.....that info is handicapping gold.
Does it only apply to poly races or all surfaces including jumpers?
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Does it only apply to poly races or all surfaces including jumpers?
I think that's another 18.95, but if I had to guess I would say that the info IS available if your check clears.
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