Time to stop the open funding of terrorism!

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Shocking ... unpleasant ... horrific ...

... but necessary.

How can I become part of that minyan? Have yarmulke ... will travel.

You continue to follow the fool Dixie Porter as a puppy follows a child.

Dixie is, as always, wrong. Rice will be in the Middle East by early tomorrow... just as I predicted. She is not likely to be carrying any nuclear weapons but rather a list of tangible issues to speak to the Syrians about (through and with the Jordanians, Saudis and Egyptians, of course).

Along with those losing ther lives in Haifa, you should be praying for these Arab leaders for the guidance and wsdom they will use to bring this to its end.

Save the yarmulke for another day.

I am clearly on the side of Israel as demonstrated by many of my posts. I dont think they have done everything properly, but they are a moral democracy.

And I occasionally find myself on the side of someone such as the bold one. And I wonder what the hell, have a gotten completely wrong? Such shallow thinking. I need to go back and rethink this thing. Kinda like when the KKK backs Republicans, or animal rights groups let infected lab rats lose- vote Democratic... please dont back, we really dont want your vote.

Just want to be isolated from primitive thought patterns.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I am clearly on the side of Israel as demonstrated by many of my posts. I dont think they have done everything properly, but they are a moral democracy.

And I occasionally find myself on the side of someone such as the bold one. And I wonder what the hell, have a gotten completely wrong? Such shallow thinking. I need to go back and rethink this thing. Kinda like when the KKK backs Republicans, or animal rights groups let infected lab rats lose- vote Democratic... please dont back, we really dont want your vote.

Just want to be isolated from primitive thought patterns.

There aren't too many folks further to the left on this board than me...yet I support a lot of what BB says. Israel is a moral democracy and we MUST support her continued existence. Folks who commit acts of terrorism are terrorists and must be destroyed...not reasoned with or compromised with...destroyed! Evil exists and must be fought...we will never defeat evil but we can and must defeat those who do evil...sure, others will take their place and those that take ours must defeat them...there is a balance to all the universes and evil constantly attempts to destroy that balance...it must be maintained!

[dalakhani]

[quote=somerfrost]There aren't too many folks further to the left on this board than me...yet I support a lot of what BB says. Israel is a moral democracy and we MUST support her continued existence. Folks who commit acts of terrorism are terrorists and must be destroyed...not reasoned with or compromised with...destroyed! Evil exists and must be fought...we will never defeat evil but we can and must defeat those who do evil...sure, others will take their place and those that take ours must defeat them...there is a balance to all the universes and evil constantly attempts to destroy that balance...it must be maintained![/QUOTE]

This is about the funniest thing i have read on here. Its like you stopped just short of saying "anakin, only the sith deal in absolutes". lol

You think you stand to the left and use terms like "destroy", "evil" and even "terrorist" in the same mangled diatribe?

You seem to like cliches. How about this one: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Think about that for one second.

Think about all sides of the issue before you start spouting off about "balance to the universe" and try just for a second to understand why the universe is just so "unbalanced" right now.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Think about that for one second.

That's utter nonsense in this context.

The terrorists are in no way fighting for freedom ... they hate Jews and openly profess an obsessive desire to kill all of them. And they readily kill any of their co-religionists who disagree with their goals and methods.

On the other hand ... the members of the U.S. military have always been freedom fighters ... defeating brutal, murderous tyrannies and establishing free democracies in their place.

Think about that ... for many seconds.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

That's utter nonsense in this context.

The terrorists are in no way fighting for freedom ... they hate Jews and openly profess an obsessive desire to kill all of them. And they readily kill any of their co-religionists who disagree with their goals and methods.

On the other hand ... the members of the U.S. military have always been freedom fighters ... defeating brutal, murderous tyrannies and establishing free democracies in their place.

Think about that ... for many seconds.

Congratulations! You are definitely a graduate of OxyViagra University with the Drug Czar Rush (fitting name) the dean.

Can the bolded statement be any further from the truth?

You mean those "free democracies" in the Phillipines, Iran, Iraq, South Viet Nam, ETC, ETC, ETC that the US implemented as pupits during the 20th century? You mean those leaders that the US installed that were known as Marcos, the shah, Saddam and Diem? Those "free democracies" that were "defeating" brutal murderous tryrannies? LOL

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Congratulations! You are definitely a graduate of OxyViagra University with the Drug Czar Rush (fitting name) the dean.

Can the bolded statement be any further from the truth?

You mean those "free democracies" in the Phillipines, Iran, Iraq, South Viet Nam, ETC, ETC, ETC that the US implemented as pupits during the 20th century? You mean those leaders that the US installed that were known as Marcos, the shah, Saddam and Diem? Those "free democracies" that were "defeating" brutal murderous tryrannies? LOL

Unfortunately for you ... everyone else knows that when you resort to name-calling and personal attacks ... you're admitting that you've lost the argument.

Your knowledge of history seems to be limited ... so I'll provide a list of places where the United States defeated tyranny and brought about freedom and democracy.

• We defeated the murderous, genocidal National Socialists ... and helped Germany and Austria become free democracies. In doing so ... we liberated the peoples of France, Belgium, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Yugoslavia, and Norway from the brutal National Socialist regime.

• We defeated the murderous Socialist Workers Movement ... and helped Italy to become a free democracy.

• We defeated the murderous, genocidal Shinto Imperialists ... and helped Japan become a free democracy. In doing so ... we liberated China, Korea, The Phillipines, Burma, Thailand, and Indonesia from their brutal rule.

• We defeated mass-murdering Soviet Communism ... and in doing so liberated Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan from its brutal rule ... and also liberated Poland, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Moldova, Bulgaria, and Hungary ... most of which are now free democracies.

• We supported those who fought totalitarian communism in Spain, South Korea, Taiwan, Nicarague, El Salvador, Chile, Grenada, Cambodia, and The Phillipines ... all of which are now free democracies.

• We supported democratic movements in South Africa, Haiti, and Rhodesia ... all of which became free democracies ... though the latter two have slid backwards since.

• We defeated the murderous, totalitarian Baathist rule in Iraq ... and helped establish a free democracy.

• We supported those who fought totalitarian communism in North Korea, Vietnam, Laos, and Angola ... which so far have been unsuccessful in establishing free democracies.

• At no point have we used our military superiority to conquer and subjugate anyone.

All of the above was achieved in less than 65 years ... a virtual blink of an eye in historic terms. I'd say it adds up to quite a splendid set of achievements in promoting freedom and democaracy.

Are you aware of any other country ... now or at any time in the past ... which has done more to promote and establish freedom? If so ... please provide the details.

[somerfrost]

[quote=dalakhani]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

There aren't too many folks further to the left on this board than me...yet I support a lot of what BB says. Israel is a moral democracy and we MUST support her continued existence. Folks who commit acts of terrorism are terrorists and must be destroyed...not reasoned with or compromised with...destroyed! Evil exists and must be fought...we will never defeat evil but we can and must defeat those who do evil...sure, others will take their place and those that take ours must defeat them...there is a balance to all the universes and evil constantly attempts to destroy that balance...it must be maintained![/QUOTE]

This is about the funniest thing i have read on here. Its like you stopped just short of saying "anakin, only the sith deal in absolutes". lol

You think you stand to the left and use terms like "destroy", "evil" and even "terrorist" in the same mangled diatribe?

You seem to like cliches. How about this one: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Think about that for one second.

Think about all sides of the issue before you start spouting off about "balance to the universe" and try just for a second to understand why the universe is just so "unbalanced" right now.

I doubt that you are so advanced in your philosophy as to make fun of mine and I certainly don't have to present my credentials to someone I don't even know. I've lived my life by that which I believe and have never been bashful of presenting my opinions on any subject. A couple points...I KNOW that I am to the left of most here, I don't just think it. My thoughts were clearly stated, they were neither mangled or bitter, simply my point of view. You are welcome to your's but attempting to devalue mine is a poor substitute to presenting a retort based on whatever your opinion may be for debate. Also, my response was geared specifically to Pgardn, a poster that I know and respect and have had many discussions with in the past, not some lurker that I honestly don't know or care about. Your world view is apparently different than mine....cool! We can debate the merits of our ideology, but starting out with an attempt to lecture me from some perceived loft of intellectual superiority is well...a waste of your time!

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I doubt that you are so advanced in your philosophy as to make fun of mine and I certainly don't have to present my credentials to someone I don't even know. I've lived my life by that which I believe and have never been bashful of presenting my opinions on any subject. A couple points...I KNOW that I am to the left of most here, I don't just think it. My thoughts were clearly stated, they were neither mangled or bitter, simply my point of view. You are welcome to your's but attempting to devalue mine is a poor substitute to presenting a retort based on whatever your opinion may be for debate. Also, my response was geared specifically to Pgardn, a poster that I know and respect and have had many discussions with in the past, not some lurker that I honestly don't know or care about. Your world view is apparently different than mine....cool! We can debate the merits of our ideology, but starting out with an attempt to lecture me from some perceived loft of intellectual superiority is well...a waste of your time!

Nice response.

[dalakhani]

[quote=somerfrost]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I doubt that you are so advanced in your philosophy as to make fun of mine and I certainly don't have to present my credentials to someone I don't even know. I've lived my life by that which I believe and have never been bashful of presenting my opinions on any subject. A couple points...I KNOW that I am to the left of most here, I don't just think it. My thoughts were clearly stated, they were neither mangled or bitter, simply my point of view. You are welcome to your's but attempting to devalue mine is a poor substitute to presenting a retort based on whatever your opinion may be for debate. Also, my response was geared specifically to Pgardn, a poster that I know and respect and have had many discussions with in the past, not some lurker that I honestly don't know or care about. Your world view is apparently different than mine....cool! We can debate the merits of our ideology, but starting out with an attempt to lecture me from some perceived loft of intellectual superiority is well...a waste of your time!

Before we can begin ANYTHING, you have to go back to Kindergarten and learn LEFT from RIGHT.

[somerfrost]

[quote=dalakhani]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Before we can begin ANYTHING, you have to go back to Kindergarten and learn LEFT from RIGHT.

Obviously, you must feel you lack the mental tools necessary for substantive debate and therefore resort to making belittling personal comments simply because I don't share your point of view (assuming you actually have one, you certainly have done little except attack the views of others thus far). I have no time for folks like you, I have been around too long to be baited unless I care to be and when I read your posts...to quote Willow Rosenberg, "bored now!" I will refrain from posting further in response to your personal comments.

[Danzig]

[quote=dalakhani]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

There aren't too many folks further to the left on this board than me...yet I support a lot of what BB says. Israel is a moral democracy and we MUST support her continued existence. Folks who commit acts of terrorism are terrorists and must be destroyed...not reasoned with or compromised with...destroyed! Evil exists and must be fought...we will never defeat evil but we can and must defeat those who do evil...sure, others will take their place and those that take ours must defeat them...there is a balance to all the universes and evil constantly attempts to destroy that balance...it must be maintained![/QUOTE]

This is about the funniest thing i have read on here. Its like you stopped just short of saying "anakin, only the sith deal in absolutes". lol

You think you stand to the left and use terms like "destroy", "evil" and even "terrorist" in the same mangled diatribe?

You seem to like cliches. How about this one: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Think about that for one second.

Think about all sides of the issue before you start spouting off about "balance to the universe" and try just for a second to understand why the universe is just so "unbalanced" right now.

there are freedom fighters...people like those who founded this country for instance. funny thing tho about washington et al...they didn't blow up people in bus stops, cafes and the like...why, they actually fought against an army. not civilians... there were no suicide bombers. no hiding out in neighborhoods while they lobbed cannonballs. nope, fought out of forts. now that's a freedom fighter.
then there are people like gandhi and martin luther king jr. got what they wanted peacefully.
anyone who doesn't know what a terrorist is...well, i'm speechless if you can't tell the difference.

[dalakhani]

[quote=Danzig188]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

there are freedom fighters...people like those who founded this country for instance. funny thing tho about washington et al...they didn't blow up people in bus stops, cafes and the like...why, they actually fought against an army. not civilians... there were no suicide bombers. no hiding out in neighborhoods while they lobbed cannonballs. nope, fought out of forts. now that's a freedom fighter.
then there are people like gandhi and martin luther king jr. got what they wanted peacefully.
anyone who doesn't know what a terrorist is...well, i'm speechless if you can't tell the difference.

Different time, different place and the analogy just doesnt fit in any way shape or form.

Was Ho Chi Minh a terrorist?

[Downthestretch55]

Bold Ruler,
While agree with much of what you say, it might be time to take a drive up the Jersey side of the Hudson to Tappan. Just take 9W north.
The site is now called the '76 House...good food there btw.
Anyway, the tree is gone but the historic marker remains.
It's where a man named John Andre was hanged after he obtained secrets to support the British cause.
I'll just say that war brings out the worst in human nature, not the best.
Whether it happened "yesterday" or "today", it's the same story, again and again.
One man's "terrorist" is another one's "freedom fighter".
The victors get to label their judgement and write the text books.
Peace!
DTS

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Bold Ruler,
While agree with much of what you say, it might be time to take a drive up the Jersey side of the Hudson to Tappan. Just take 9W north.
The site is now called the '76 House...good food there btw.
Anyway, the tree is gone but the historic marker remains.
It's where a man named John Andre was hanged after he obtained secrets to support the British cause.
I'll just say that war brings out the worst in human nature, not the best.
Whether it happened "yesterday" or "today", it's the same story, again and again.
One man's "terrorist" is another one's "freedom fighter".
The victors get to label their judgement and write the text books.
Peace!
DTS

You are probably right. Even George Washington was viewed as a terrorist.

I think Benjamin Franklin said it best "There never was a good war or a bad peace."

[Byebyemermaid]

We have family that live in Haifa and Tel-Aviv.One of the rockets that hit Haifa yesterday was about 1/3 of a mile from there apartment.When my wife saw the footage she immediately recognized the area.We got hold of them on the phone and asked how they were and they said fine and next asked about our family like nothing was going on.I don't thinkwe could ever be that casual about what is happening there if it was going on here.One of there sons who just had there second child has been recalled.The family that lives in Herzilia Petuach near Tel-Aviv has a son who is in special forces as a naval seal.His father was a Colonel in the army.the only thing i can say is if there is ever a quiet time there you must see that place.Jewish,Christian it doesen't matter.It's a remarkable place.

OK then I am dissappointed. I agree with someone who just does not think. Makes up his mind based on preconceived biases and never touches evidence that does not fit the mold. I cant stand these types. Disappointed...

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by pgardn

OK then I am dissappointed. I agree with someone who just does not think. Makes up his mind based on preconceived biases and never touches evidence that does not fit the mold. I cant stand these types. Disappointed...

My clothes are dirty but my hands are clean...words of Bob Dylan.
Don't judge a book by it's cover...I have no idea who first said that.
People who don't think can't possibly reach meaningful conclusions and BB reaches meaningful conclusions therefore...
Beware of snap judgement based on internet posts...70-80% of human communication is non-verbal, the net is 100% verbal (written).
The truth has many vehicles, there is the messenger and there is the message...we must never confuse them!

Originally Posted by somerfrost

My clothes are dirty but my hands are clean...words of Bob Dylan.
Don't judge a book by it's cover...I have no idea who first said that.
People who don't think can't possibly reach meaningful conclusions and BB reaches meaningful conclusions therefore...
Beware of snap judgement based on internet posts...70-80% of human communication is non-verbal, the net is 100% verbal (written).
The truth has many vehicles, there is the messenger and there is the message...we must never confuse them!

Somer have you seen the sites he posts? I have sampled 4. They are all absolutely horrible with a huge agenda. I try and read the Wall Street Journal, the NY Times, listen to the experts on all sides on C-span... I try to get a smattering from everywhere. Call my Uncle who was a career diplomat (not some political hack contributor to a presidency). His sites... holy cow.

Originally Posted by pgardn

Somer have you seen the sites he posts? I have sampled 4. They are all absolutely horrible with a huge agenda.

I have made only one recommendation for outside reading ... the books and opinion columns of Dr. Thomas Sowell ... a 72-year-old professor at Stanford University ... who is universally recognized as a brilliant scholar and researcher ... even by socialists who don't share his beliefs in individual freedom.

If you think Dr. Sowell's writings are "absolutely horrible" ... there's nothing to do but pity you.

And I won't get into my personal academic qualifications and professional achievements ... because there's no way for anyone to verify them ... but if you knew them ... you'd be ashamed of some of the ignorant things you've written.

As Dean Martin used to say to Jerry Lewis ... "Look ashamed!"