A legend retires.

[my miss storm cat]

Okay first of all, you scared the crap outta me. I thought maybe Bullish Luck had retired.

Whew!

I need to ask something and I don't mean to be disrespectful. I'm sure it's big news and all and sorry that I'm not familiar with him.

Quito..... is this the same person who was accused of abuse by a vet for running him into the ground when he was TIRED AND NOT WELL?

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Okay first of all, you scared the crap outta me. I thought maybe Bullish Luck had retired.

Whew!

I need to ask something and I don't mean to be disrespectful. I'm sure it's big news and all and sorry that I'm not familiar with him.

Quito..... is this the same person who was accused of abuse by a vet for running him into the ground when he was TIRED AND NOT WELL?

Well, yes it was the same person....... BUT didn't Chapman later get a different vet to look at him for him to tell him that he was 100% okay??? Or am i just dreaming that bit?

[my miss storm cat]

Excerpt, Racing Post, last october.....

CHAPMAN has defended himself against criticism from a veterinary surgeon over his handling of Quito, the North Yorkshire trainer’s veteran sprinter with a strong public following.

John McKenna, who looks after the strings of Milton Bradley and Tony Carroll, claims in a letter to the Racing Post(see below) that continuing to run the popular nine-year-old after a long season borders “on abuse”. Quito, according to McKenna, “presented a sad spectre in the paddock“ before his 17th appearance of the campaign at Newmarket on Saturday.

Looking on that day, the Cheltenham-based vet later observed: “The horse had lost his neck, with his hindquarters falling away and his general listlessness clearly reflected a horse whose season was over - 50-1 SP rather supported this.”

McKenna went on: “I wonder what prevailed on connections to race this plucky competitor again 24 hours after his previous effort when last of 14, also at Newmarket?

“His mentors should look to their sporting and welfare considerations in this matter - I consider the foregoing to be bordering on abuse of a genuine horse who has already won twenty races.” Chapman, who excels with sprinters as the exploits of Chaplin’s Club and Glencroft proved, pointed out that Quito, beaten a neck by Reverence in last month’s Group 1 Betfred Sprint Cup, won the ‘best-turned-out’ prize at Newmarket on Friday, but failed to get the run of the race after breaking too sharply from the stalls.


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I'm not trying to start an argument here and if this man is some champion or whatever, great.

Sorry for feeling like maybe HE should be forced to race a few times now.

Poor Quito and i know, I know, he loved to race but once the number got around 113, 114 it got really scary.

[my miss storm cat]

Just cause I'm annoyed.....

118 starts. poor boy.


QUITO (IRE) 10-y-o (10 Apr 1997) b r
NOTEPAD
Trainer: D W Chapman Owner: Michael Hill
Breeder: Sheikh Mohammed Bin Rashid Al Maktoum
Machiavellian(USA) (9.1f) - Qirmazi(USA) (Riverman (USA)(9.6f))
three-parts brother to fairly useful miler Quinwood; half-brother to three winners including 5-7f winner Saheel; dam 6f juvenile to 1m1f winner in France


RACE TYPE STARTS WINS 2nds 3rds WIN PRIZE TOTAL PRIZE BEST TS BEST RPR BHB RATING†

Lifetime Flat Turf 88 14 10 10 £240,105 £431,468 113 119 105
Lifetime All Weather 30 6 4 0 £33,656 £48,684 94 113 100
Lifetime Hurdle 0 0 0 0 £0 £0
Lifetime Chase 0 0 0 0 £0 £0
Lifetime Stakes 46 6 6 3 £105,657 £46 113 119
Lifetime All 118 20 14 10 £273,762 £480,153

(It was too long to post. Talk about running a horse into the ground).

[my miss storm cat]

Okay so this was his final winner..... (at Redcar yesterday so add in another start to make it an even 170).

http://guardian.sportinglife.com/GU_...,66572,00.html


Why does this bother me..... a 10 year old horse and look at the dates just for this year.

Ummm, I'm sorry but it seems a excessive.

Maybe it's me.

Didn't mean to ruin your thread. Sorry.

PADDYWACK (IRE) 10-y-o (20 Feb 1997) b g
NOTEPAD
Trainer: D W Chapman Owner: David W Chapman
Breeder: C McEvoy
Bigstone(IRE) (8.4f) - Millie's Return(IRE) (Ballad Rock(7.6f))
(13,000Irgns; foal 11,500Irgns) first foal; dam, middle-distance maiden, out of sister to very smart stayer Assessor

Lifetime Flat Turf 107 11 11 9 £58,893 £88,783 80 91 58
Lifetime All Weather 62 9 6 3 £27,712 £36,206 78 89 57
Lifetime Hurdle 0 0 0 0 £0 £0
Lifetime Chase 0 0 0 0 £0 £0
Lifetime Stakes 0 0 0 0 £0 £0
Lifetime All 169 20 17 12 £86,605 £124,989


FULL FIN 11Sep07 Bev 5GF Cl5 Hc,3K 8-3 7/13 3L, Making Music[11/1] 8-8 b Danielle McCreery 60 50 57
— — 06Sep07 Wol 5St/Fs Cl6 Hc,1K 8-12 6/12 4L, Multahab[12/1] 9-5 v1 Danielle McCreery 60 56 60
— — 31Aug07 Wol 6St Cl6 Hc,2K 8-12 7/13 3½L, Tag Team[8/1] 9-5 b Danielle McCreery 57 49 56
FULL FIN 25Aug07 Bev 5GF Cl5 Hc,4K 7-12 6/14 2L, Kings College Boy[5/1J] 8-11 b Danielle McCreery 57 51 58
FULL FIN 19Aug07 Pon 5GS Cl5 Hc,3K 8-3 2/10 1L, Never Without Me[13/2] 8-11 b Danielle McCreery 57 65 67
FULL FIN 08Aug07 Pon 5Fm Cl5 Hc,4K 8-4 4/11 2¾L, The History Man[16/1] 8-12 b Adele Rothery 58 54 58
FULL FIN 27Jul07 Thi 5Gd Cl5 ApHc,3K 8-12 9/13 7L, Whinhill House[10/1] 8-6 p Danielle McCreery 60 25 44
FULL FIN 23Jul07 Bev 5Sft Cl4 Hc,4K 8-1 5/9 4¾L, Melalchrist[13/2] 9-2 b Danielle McCreery 60 36 56
FULL FIN 17Jul07 Bev 5Hy Cl6 Hc,2K 9-0 6/15 4½L, The History Man[16/1] 9-5 b Danielle McCreery 60 27 56
FULL FIN 06Jul07 Bev 5Hy Cl6 Hc,3K 9-2 11/12 37L, Prospect Court[8/1] 9-4 b Danielle McCreery 62 — —
FULL FIN 18Jun07 Crl 5GS Cl5 Hc,3K 9-0 9/14 3L, Compton Classic[8/1] 8-6 b Danielle McCreery 62 56 61
FULL FIN 11Jun07 Pon 5GF Cl6 Hc,3K 8-12 2/15 1¼L, Hotham[16/1] 9-2 b Danielle McCreery 62 55 67
FULL FIN 22May07 Bev 5Gd Cl5 Hc,3K 8-8 8/15 4¼L, Desert Opal[15/2] 9-1 b Mark Lawson 63 34 58
FULL FIN 26Apr07 Bev 7GF Cl6 Hc,2K 8-10 9/15 7½L, Franksalot[11/1] 9-2 b Danielle McCreery 59 40 50
— — 19Apr07 Rip 5GF Cl5 ApHc,3K 8-10 1/14 1L, Mr Rooney[11/1] 8-10 b Danielle McCreery 60 38 66
FULL FIN 17Apr07 Not 5GF Cl5 Hc,3K 8-1 11/14 6L, Desert Opal[33/1] 8-8 b Danielle McCreery 60 52 52
FULL FIN 10Apr07 Pon 6Gd Cl6 Hc,3K 8-13 13/16 12½L, Brigadore[18/1] 9-2 b Seb Sanders 60 29 33
— — 27Mar07 Wol 6St Cl5 Hc,3K 8-11 7/13 6¾L, Came Back[33/1] 8-8 b Tony Culhane 62 48 56

[NoChanceToDance]

I'm sorry, but i'm not with you on this. That was the opinion of one vet..... just one. As i said, i'm pretty sure Chapman got a different vet to look at him the very next day who basically couldn't believe what the previous vet had said.

If that vet had thought he was that bad, he shouldn't have let him race (vets have the power to stop any horse from racing). However, he did not..... slightly contradicting himself, don't you think.

If the horse had "lost his neck" and whose "hind quarters were falling away" do you really think he would have been able to win the best turned out prize????

It makes me laugh actually because the vet looks after both Tony Carroll's and Milton Bradley's strings....... maybe he is yet to see a healthy horse, which is why he thought Quito looked differently. If you want to have a moan about a trainer find someone that really does treat their horses like sh*t, there are hundreds out there..... funnily enough most in America. Problem is, with all the drugs they are given, from the outside you can't tell.

Quito was Chapman's pride and joy. ONE vet can't sway me, i'm sorry.

[Pedigree Ann]

English horses at this level race instead of working out. And they thrive on it. Saw a 12yo winning the other day, can't recall his name.

[my miss storm cat]

[quote=NoChanceToDance]

If that vet had thought he was that bad, he shouldn't have let him race (vets have the power to stop any horse from racing). However, he did not..... slightly contradicting himself, don't you think.

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The way the article was written I believe the vet just happened to see him on that given day.....