How do these guys have jobs?

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

In watching this weekend's games, I have to ask myself how some of these participants remain employed in the NFL. My list with comments:

Norv Turner:

what is his claim to fame? That he was successful in calling plays for one of the most talented offenses in NFL history? How hard would it be to call plays when your QB, TB, FB, TE, WR and half of your line will all one day be in the hall of fame? And what has he done since? Complete failure in Washington. Complete failure in Oakland. and for this, he gets rewarded with guiding a team that was 14-2 last year.

where are they now? 1-2 and have looked extremely flat for better parts of all 3 games. Way to go Norv. Lets make Ladanian look like Cedric Benson and lets make the defense look like they should be in Cincinatti. This team is too talented NOT to recover and at least make the playoffs in that weak division. But contenders? No way...not with Norv at the helm.

Rex Grossman:

How does he still have a job? Yes, he has a great arm. Yes, at times he can make exceptional plays. But how can you not give him the hook especially after what he did last night? He is wildly inaccurate and his decisions are just terrible.

Find a custodian to play QB and play defense and field position. This guy does nothing but lose you games.

Dick Jauron:

How does this guy have a job? He has ONE winning season and that was pretty much a lucky team that got on a roll. Other than that, his teams have been really bad. Where are the bills again this season?

John Kitna:

you invest tons of money and early draft picks to assemble a tandem of receivers that are prototypes for what NFL receivers will be ten years from now. And you get John Kitna to throw to them? 36-46 lifetime record as a starter John Kitna? anyone can put up stats...but can you win with this guy? History says NO.



I am sure I can think of more. These are the ones that are in my head right now.

Norv turner offensive coordinator, thats it, if you want to call it that. Phillips and LT are fighting it out.

I'll take back what I said earlier about Grossman. I think people need to watch the games though. Not spout some crap that they think they know something about scouting with some numbers used, when I feel they didn't see the game (Yes, I truly believe this). Especially the SD and Dallas games again. The entire offense and players are not working. I'm sure they think that they are. Muhammed and Berrien are not finishing routes, and the offensive line is not working. Could this mean that Grossman just doesn't work? Maybe. But that was a horrible scene to watch in the 4th quarter last night.

Dick Jauron: You don't win in this league by being conservative. PERIOD!

As for Kitna, he's working. For Martz at least!!! I think Sullivan and Orlovsky will provide in the future, but they still have to do some tinkering with the offensive line, plus provide a healthy back. Kevin Jones was a top 10 last year before the fracture.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

Norv turner offensive coordinator, thats it, if you want to call it that. Phillips and LT are fighting it out.

I'll take back what I said earlier about Grossman. I think people need to watch the games though. Not spout some crap that they think they know something about scouting with some numbers used, when I feel they didn't see the game (Yes, I truly believe this). Especially the SD and Dallas games again. The entire offense and players are not working. I'm sure they think that they are. Muhammed and Berrien are not finishing routes, and the offensive line is not working. Could this mean that Grossman just doesn't work? Maybe. But that was a horrible scene to watch in the 4th quarter last night.

Dick Jauron: You don't win in this league by being conservative. PERIOD!

As for Kitna, he's working. For Martz at least!!! I think Sullivan and Orlovsky will provide in the future, but they still have to do some tinkering with the offensive line, plus provide a healthy back. Kevin Jones was a top 10 last year before the fracture.

Ive always been fair about Grossman. He is a wonderful talent...I bet you havent heard THAT in a long time. The truth is he has ALL of the tools. He has an arm to throw any route. Im not a bears fan by any stretch but ive watched all three of his games this year in their entirety. The blame can be spread. For instance, why does Ron Turner have him throwing outs when its clear he throws best across the middle? Why do they put him in predictable passing situations? Why is there no speed out of the backfield to compliment the power of Benson?

The receivers are quitting on the routes because they don't have the confidence that Rex will deliver the ball where and when it is supposed to be delivered. It is as simple as that.

He needs to watch film, develop better chemistry with his receivers and he needs to sit on the bench for a few games and get his head straight. Right now, he and everyone else are sitting and waiting for him implode every time he trots out there. He needs to regroup. At this point, he needs to lose his job for a while.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Ive always been fair about Grossman. He is a wonderful talent...I bet you havent heard THAT in a long time. The truth is he has ALL of the tools. He has an arm to throw any route. Im not a bears fan by any stretch but ive watched all three of his games this year in their entirety. The blame can be spread. For instance, why does Ron Turner have him throwing outs when its clear he throws best across the middle? Why do they put him in predictable passing situations? Why is there no speed out of the backfield to compliment the power of Benson?

The receivers are quitting on the routes because they don't have the confidence that Rex will deliver the ball where and when it is supposed to be delivered. It is as simple as that.

He needs to watch film, develop better chemistry with his receivers and he needs to sit on the bench for a few games and get his head straight. Right now, he and everyone else are sitting and waiting for him implode every time he trots out there. He needs to regroup. At this point, he needs to lose his job for a while.

I feel the opposite about Grossman. I watch him plenty and have always thought that (to paraphrase Denny Green) he is who I thought he is...a guy with no clue, bad fundementals who played with overwhelming talent against simple schemes in college who is simply overmatched in the pros. He may have arm strength but even a novice like me watches him throw off the wrong foot and get happy feet in the pocket and rush everything. He never lets the game come to him and if they dont have the defense on run, he is brutal. I just cant see what the guys who defend him see.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I feel the opposite about Grossman. I watch him plenty and have always thought that (to paraphrase Denny Green) he is who I thought he is...a guy with no clue, bad fundementals who played with overwhelming talent against simple schemes in college who is simply overmatched in the pros. He may have arm strength but even a novice like me watches him throw off the wrong foot and get happy feet in the pocket and rush everything. He never lets the game come to him and if they dont have the defense on run, he is brutal. I just cant see what the guys who defend him see.

Then how can you explain the stretch last year where he looked like the best QB in the NFL?

The happy feet and the rushing is all mental. When he is on, you dont see that. He has a cannon for an arm and over the middle he can thread it with the best of them. His head is just thoroughly messed up right now. God...how did i get into defending Grossman?

Some guys never come back from a prolonged slump like this. Most don't. But I would disagree with you on the talent being there. In my opinion, it certainly is.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Then how can you explain the stretch last year where he looked like the best QB in the NFL?

The happy feet and the rushing is all mental. When he is on, you dont see that. He has a cannon for an arm and over the middle he can thread it with the best of them. His head is just thoroughly messed up right now. God...how did i get into defending Grossman?

Some guys never come back from a prolonged slump like this. Most don't. But I would disagree with you on the talent being there. In my opinion, it certainly is.

he's a headcase--if he was a colt, they'd geld him...when he's on, he's good, but he's off so much it doesn't make up for when he's on. the leader of the offense needs to be dependable and consistent.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Then how can you explain the stretch last year where he looked like the best QB in the NFL?

The happy feet and the rushing is all mental. When he is on, you dont see that. He has a cannon for an arm and over the middle he can thread it with the best of them. His head is just thoroughly messed up right now. God...how did i get into defending Grossman?

Some guys never come back from a prolonged slump like this. Most don't. But I would disagree with you on the talent being there. In my opinion, it certainly is.

He was fortunate to play for a team that kept getting the ball in great field position and had a guy returning kicks who was scoring a td a game. Just where and when was that stretch because I was out of the country one weekend and must have missed that. And please dont make me revisit his stats from last year, it will anger Morty and StS

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cardus

For the first two or three weeks of last season, Grossman had some big numbers.

Not really...the bears were winning easily against bad teams and he was not having to do anything, just maintain the leads. He was dreadful in week 3 against Minnesota which almost cost them a game. I guess what I am saying is that just about any average NFL QB can do ok with a big lead and great field position. Rex is below average as he is showing this year.