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[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

speed was not disadvantaged there as many claim, but it was nothing like hawthorne.

Disadvantaged? Maybe not, but it certainly wasn't like the Arlington dirt track either. It is better than Kee and Dmr, that is for sure.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Disadvantaged? Maybe not, but it certainly wasn't like the Arlington dirt track either. It is better than Kee and Dmr, that is for sure.

why should it be the same as the arlington dirt? was there some magical correctness about how it played? honestly I'm not sure that in the end there was a huge difference in how it played. I'll check when I get home.

Arl plays different than Kee and Dmr because its a longer meet. if you haven't noticed by now when horses that haven't been training or running on poly run on it for the first time they get noticeably tired, especially cheaper horses. but as the meet goes on they adapt and the normal tendencies begin to take shape again, for example the dominance of horses that have good early speed.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Arl plays different than Kee and Dmr because its a longer meet. if you haven't noticed by now when horses that haven't been training or running on poly run on it for the first time they get noticeably tired, especially cheaper horses. but as the meet goes on they adapt and the normal tendencies begin to take shape again, for example the dominance of horses that have good early speed.

That's an interesting thing I never thought about -- since horses were tiring and stopping like piles of bricks for the first few weeks, and then the last 3/4 of the meet showed that it ended up being one of the fairest tracks around.

[Scav]

It is my understanding that the loan has nothing to do with those barns. Duch has owned those barns for some time. He is just turning screws.

I could be 100% wrong though, but I thought I read the above somewhere.

[ndjake]

Mr. D bought out the bank note owed by the National Jockey Club that used to operate the Sportman's meet and took ownership of all of their property. The property in question is 500 stalls in barns at Hawthorne that are now owned by D but interestingly enough he doesn't own the land they are built on. Mr. D is basically holding up Hawthorne to get them to buy the barns or he has threatened to demolish them. The sides couldn't agree on a purchase price but have agreed to go into binding arbitration to work it out. After reaching an agreement on these barns, Mr. D will still own the balance of the old NJC property.

[ArlJim78]

I compiled these numbers from bris data, showing how the various running styles at Hawthorne and Arlington compare, and also the effect of poly at Arlington. Basically you can see that not all dirt tracks are created equal as Hawthorne is what I would call speed biased. Poly seems more fair because it breaks out more equally between early speed and closers.


Percent of races won – six furlongs

Hawthorne spring meet 2007
E type 47%, E/P type 28%, P type 12%, S type 13%

Arlington 2006 meet (dirt)
E type 35%, E/P type 32%, P type 18%, S type 15%

Arlington 2007 meet (poly)
E type 31%, E/P type 24%, P type 16%, S type 29%


Percent of races won – 1 1/16 miles

Hawthorne spring meet 2007
E type 42%, E/P type 22%, P type 12%, S type 19%

Arlington 2007 meet (poly)
E type 32%, E/P type 17%, P type 24%, S type 27%


Percent of races won – one mile

Arlington 2006 meet (dirt)
E type 30%, E/P type 28%, P type 21%, S type 22%

Arlington 2007 meet (poly)
E type 32%, E/P type 20%, P type 22%, S type 26%

[Scav]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Percent of races won – six furlongs

Hawthorne spring meet 2007
E type 47%, E/P type 28%, P type 12%, S type 13%

75% in the top flight, what a sickening number. And I am willing to bet that the other 25% is from races where Laviolette went 43.1 or Thornton got front happy.