ND (me) vs. PSU (Hoss)

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Let me show you something.The Dodgers are managed by Grady Little Ability...O.K....Now,last year,they went on a huge losing streak right after the allstar break.This year,they went on a big losing streak during the 1st 2 weeks of August.That's not just a freak coincidence.He can't get men to produce.So,this team is gunna struggle as long as this guy is calling the shots,and not correctly motivating a bunch of guys who have the talent to win atleast 7-10 more games than they have....He has the talent.He can't manage at this level.This fat ball at Notre Dame can't get it done either.Maybe he can in the pros.Pete Carrol didn't have much success in the pros,but something about the college game fits him.Don't tell me he had a good program.When he took that job,nobody wanted that mess that Paul Hackett left.He didn't take a long time(like you're requesting we give this guy.) S.C. started getting better(slowly ,but each year much better.)This N.D. team is going the other way(under this guy.)I don't care(either way,)but I know this guy can't cut it.I don't think it's always about who could do better.You can't let a loser stay in charge of men.You move them out until somebody does the job.

If you honestly feel that you can make an assessment like that, "This fat ball at Notre Dame can't get it done either" after two games, both against top 15 teams, then I suppose we can agree to disagree.

You then said that I am requesting we give Weis a "long time." If you consider three seasons a long time, then yeah, I'm asking for a long time.

Your post wreaks of a bad sports attitude right now that coaches should be given no slack for even part of a bad season. You are talking about firing a guy who was the toast of South Bend two years ago, given a TEN YEAR CONTRACT EXTENSION, and is now piecing together a team that lost every major skill position player. Hell, if ND wasn't planning on giving Weis the entire 2007 season to get this team straightened out, then they should have fired him over the summer.

The Rooneys could have pulled the plug on Bill Cowher numerous times. The Jazz could have done so with Jerry Sloan. Paterno could have gotten fired, same with Bowden. Sometimes coaches deserve some time and I'm quite confident more than two games is a necessary amount of time.

NT

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

If you honestly feel that you can make an assessment like that, "This fat ball at Notre Dame can't get it done either" after two games, both against top 15 teams, then I suppose we can agree to disagree.

You then said that I am requesting we give Weis a "long time." If you consider three seasons a long time, then yeah, I'm asking for a long time.

Your post wreaks of a bad sports attitude right now that coaches should be given no slack for even part of a bad season. You are talking about firing a guy who was the toast of South Bend two years ago, given a TEN YEAR CONTRACT EXTENSION, and is now piecing together a team that lost every major skill position player. Hell, if ND wasn't planning on giving Weis the entire 2007 season to get this team straightened out, then they should have fired him over the summer.

The Rooneys could have pulled the plug on Bill Cowher numerous times. The Jazz could have done so with Jerry Sloan. Paterno could have gotten fired, same with Bowden. Sometimes coaches deserve some time and I'm quite confident more than two games is a necessary amount of time.

NT

He is just mad because Grady Little is in a coma

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He is just mad because Grady Little is in a coma

I wish he would go run a lil cattle ranch in that dump called Texas.If I can't have that,I'll settle for him in a coma.Tough way to have to move somebody,but he has to go somehow.He does look like he wears that blue sweatshirt in a pre-game nap,and then just comes to the bench 10 mintes before the game starts.People don't wear sweatshirts to important occasions.So,he is basically letting all the players know that he is doing the equivalent of factory work.There is nothing about him that says he has a passion for getting the team to raise it's play to anywhere near it's potential. Too much "oh well," and "that's the way it goes sometimes" being used to excuse what really is the result of poor execution.This is one guy that I know isn't getting out of his team what it really has to offer.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Fat Ball AIN'T CUTTING IT. Now, how much more ass-kicking they gunna take before he is looking for a coordinator job for next year? I am not that smart,but I am smart enough to know this guy has gotta go.

[Crown@club]

10 year contract Scuds - not going to happen.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

10 year contract Scuds - not going to happen.

Yeah,right..They gunna keep getting tail beat,and not change coaches...LOL....SOME RICH CATHOLIC CAN PAY THIS GUY.
They gotta move on.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Yeah,right..They gunna keep getting tail beat,and not change coaches...LOL....SOME RICH CATHOLIC CAN PAY THIS GUY.
They gotta move on.

you are kidding? weis is playing with willingham leftovers and his kids are only sophs. and many of the are now learning under fire. no one is loving nd at 0-3 more than me but i can give him a chance because i respect the history of the program.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

If you honestly feel that you can make an assessment like that, "This fat ball at Notre Dame can't get it done either" after two games, both against top 15 teams, then I suppose we can agree to disagree.

You then said that I am requesting we give Weis a "long time." If you consider three seasons a long time, then yeah, I'm asking for a long time.

Your post wreaks of a bad sports attitude right now that coaches should be given no slack for even part of a bad season. You are talking about firing a guy who was the toast of South Bend two years ago, given a TEN YEAR CONTRACT EXTENSION, and is now piecing together a team that lost every major skill position player. Hell, if ND wasn't planning on giving Weis the entire 2007 season to get this team straightened out, then they should have fired him over the summer.

The Rooneys could have pulled the plug on Bill Cowher numerous times. The Jazz could have done so with Jerry Sloan. Paterno could have gotten fired, same with Bowden. Sometimes coaches deserve some time and I'm quite confident more than two games is a necessary amount of time.

NT

I'm not advocating firing the guy at all, but great college football coaches (with 10 year contracts) have to have the ability to look ahead and assess what their team is going to look like for the next couple years and do something about it. There is a benefit from playing these cupcake teams that most of the big programs do, you rotate young players in so when you lose "every major skill position player" in one season, the cupboard is not bare. Elite programs reload, they don't need entire seasons to straighten out their team.

That said, he has only been there two years and only had one recruiting class to work with (last year), but I would not advocate giving him a free pass for the whole season. He needs to show major improvement as his kids get playing time and their schedule seems to set up nicely for a big finish so next year they can be overrated at the start of the season.