Patriots punishment

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by skippy3481

Interesting penatly
Coach must pay 500k fine
Team must pay 250k fine
If they make the playoffs they lose their first round pick in 08

that's a pretty severe penalty.

hopefully the nut cases demanding a forfeit can untangle their panties and get back to life now.

[skippy3481]

Really its just the draft pick, Kraft will cover the fine. First round pick is a big hit though.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by skippy3481

Really its just the draft pick, Kraft will cover the fine. First round pick is a big hit though.

Don't they have two #1s next year though?

[skippy3481]

Yes, they do, its san fransico's.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by skippy3481

Yes, they do, its san fransico's.

Well...since I think making the playoffs is a safe bet, then they are back to square one. Can't count the fines because that is...how do you say it...
POCKET CHANGE to them

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

that's a pretty severe penalty.

hopefully the nut cases demanding a forfeit can untangle their panties and get back to life now.

The NFL missed an opportunity to hold Kraft responsible for his team's sins...that was a mistake. The Patriots will find a way to pay Bill's fine and the #1 will just have his money spent on a upper level free agent.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by docicu3

The NFL missed an opportunity to hold Kraft responsible for his team's sins...that was a mistake. The Patriots will find a way to pay Bill's fine and the #1 will just have his money spent on a upper level free agent.

I dont think that it as easy as that...salary cap implications....draft picks are slotted for a certain number while free agents count in a different, more severe cost. I'm sure that the NFL has decreed that the money must come from Belichek and if found circumventing that then the penalty to be even more severe.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont think that it as easy as that...salary cap implications....draft picks are slotted for a certain number while free agents count in a different, more severe cost. I'm sure that the NFL has decreed that the money must come from Belichek and if found circumventing that then the penalty to be even more severe.

The actual check will come from Coach Bill but it will also circle back to him
within the year. The whole thing is a joke and mark my words Coach Bill already knows who else has crossed this line and there will be more "announcement" of new violations that will come from "a source close to the NFL" etc etc

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by docicu3

The actual check will come from Coach Bill but it will also circle back to him
within the year. The whole thing is a joke and mark my words Coach Bill already knows who else has crossed this line and there will be more "announcement" of new violations that will come from "a source close to the NFL" etc etc

If everyone is doing it is it really a big deal? I mean they were videotaping the other teams signs, not poisioning the gatorade. I guess I may be stupid but I assumed that they were all doing this anyway.

[skippy3481]

Yes its a big deal. Just because a good deal of people do it does not make it right. Videotaping signs can be a huge deal. If you know what defense they are calling in, you have a massive advantage. It matters not who else or how many have done it. It's illegal to do it and they were caught, they deserve whatever they get.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by skippy3481

Yes its a big deal. Just because a good deal of people do it does not make it right. Videotaping signs can be a huge deal. If you know what defense they are calling in, you have a massive advantage. It matters not who else or how many have done it. It's illegal to do it and they were caught, they deserve whatever they get.

Dancing in the end zone and wearing loose socks are illegal in the NFL too.

I still think the whole thing is overblown. I dont think there is a massive advantage. There is only so many things a defense can do. Most of what they do is to react to what the offense does. I suppose Indy is cheating too since Peyton seems to change plays about every play.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by skippy3481

Yes its a big deal. Just because a good deal of people do it does not make it right. Videotaping signs can be a huge deal. If you know what defense they are calling in, you have a massive advantage. It matters not who else or how many have done it. It's illegal to do it and they were caught, they deserve whatever they get.

$750,000 in fines and loss of a 1st round draft pick.

i agree.

[BillW]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If everyone is doing it is it really a big deal? I mean they were videotaping the other teams signs, not poisioning the gatorade. I guess I may be stupid but I assumed that they were all doing this anyway.

From what I understand the league covered this specific violation in their yearly training camp tour to review new rules, violations, league policies etc. just a few weeks before the start of the season. I guess it pissed them off that he just thumbed his nose at them.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If everyone is doing it is it really a big deal? I mean they were videotaping the other teams signs, not poisioning the gatorade. I guess I may be stupid but I assumed that they were all doing this anyway.

They are all doing it and it seems a bit nuts that one of Bill's former coaches set him up like this. Having said that the penalty seems excessive but as a Pats fan that shouldn't surprise.

At least the antisoundbite wasn't hit with this penalty.....

http://sports.aol.com/story/_a/mclar...13151409990023

[golfer]

Here's the problem: They all say it had little to no impact on Sunday's game, so why was Belicheat doing it? You know he will not explain what they were doing and why. But we are all supposed to believe that it didn't help, much?
If the Commisioner is truly interested in the integrity of the game, he should have forced a full explanation from Belichicken.
Basically, it's "we have no comment, but take my word for it that it was no big deal". Well, I have a big problem taking Belichump's word for it, especially when he's not talking.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If everyone is doing it is it really a big deal? I mean they were videotaping the other teams signs, not poisioning the gatorade. I guess I may be stupid but I assumed that they were all doing this anyway.

can the same be said about horse trainers drugging horses?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pointman

can the same be said about horse trainers drugging horses?

Not even in the same ballpark.

The one question I have that no one seems to be asking is that if Mangini was aware that his signals were being stolen, why didn't he simply change them from game to game? Wouldn't the other team having faulty information actually be an advantage for the Jets?

Mangini obviously would think of this which leads me to believe that he just wanted for Belichik to get caught, not that he thought that the Pats would actually gain a signifigant advantage from them

[pointman]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

that's a pretty severe penalty.

hopefully the nut cases demanding a forfeit can untangle their panties and get back to life now.

people are nut cases because they disagree with you on the penalty? Obviously you are a Pats fan. How can you say it did not affect the outcome of the game? A Jets player was quoted as saying, before this came out, that it was like the Pats knew what the Jets were going to do on every play. I wonder how.

[viscount26]

Originally Posted by pointman

people are nut cases because they disagree with you on the penalty? Obviously you are a Pats fan. How can you say it did not affect the outcome of the game? A Jets player was quoted as saying, before this came out, that it was like the Pats knew what the Jets were going to do on every play. I wonder how.

That's probably because Tom Brady can read a defence, and Pennington can't. This is my last post on this.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by viscount26

That's probably because Tom Brady can read a defence, and Pennington can't. This is my last post on this.

you may very well be right. Problem is, there is no way of really knowing. IMO if the Pats forfeit, there is not much incentive to try cheating like this again as they know they lose if they get caught.