Maimonides out 30 days

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Shut up.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Shut up.

how'd tasha's miracle do in the debutante?

[parsixfarms]

Yes, shins with 2YOs are common, but anyone who says that there were not issues with the Saratoga tracks this past summer is kidding themselves, or trying to advance another agenda. If there was one thing that most of the trainers agreed upon, it was their displeasure with the hardness and fastness (how many track records were set) of the tracks caused by the track super's nightly decision to seal and roll the tracks, even when there was no rain in the forecast. The issue became such a problem that special meetings were called between the horsemen and NYRA management to address the trainers' concerns.

Speaking from personal experience, we had two horses on the grounds and both developed filling in their ankles, and this was only from training. Last Sunday, our vet was at the barn to x-ray one horse to make sure that there were no significant issues. The x-rays revealed nothing that required surgery, and we think he probably suffered a foot bruise (another common aliment up here this summer). The most telling statement from the vet was he had x-rayed more ankles this past summer, only to have them come back negative. He attributed this to the hardness of the tracks.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Of course there were issues, but to blame the track for Maimonides shins seems a bit unfounded at least at this time. Most of the posts in this thread by me were in response to Sumitas' poly agenda.

I agree. I attended the meeting where the horsemen discussed the track, condition, etc., with NYRA management. It was a very good meeting although I think there were some issues. One issue, which could have been addressed before the fact, was that I am not sure how many people (trainers) felt there were "major" issues with the track. Of course "major" is a relative term.

Also, because there were a very few very vocal that appeared to be the driving force, I am not sure this was the most efficient and effective approach. Regardless, NYRA was very receptive and immediately followed up and took action. I think the major issue was the track being sealed, more as an isolated issue, but of course everyone is going to have their own issues. The track super felt completely blindsided and was caught completely off-guard, and while that might not be important, I think it might be more indicitive of the tone or environment.

I think the approach is key here -- solving problems, by working together; or working against, force, or at least the appearence or tone of working against.

Eric

[Ronnie]

So it clearly wasn't an issue of dirt vs poly. Nobody was jumping up and down saying "We want poly!"

Maimonides was in Saratoga because it wasn't poly.

[theiman]

Interesting study done about 5 years ago regarding bucked shins.

http://www2.vet.upenn.edu/labs/corl/...uckedshins.pdf

I would gather racing 2 year olds on dirt surfaces isnt beneficial, in relation to bucked shins. Part might be from the development point of a 2 year old, part may be the surface, and part may be the speed of the horse in training.

Bafferts style, with his QH background might lead to the approach he has shown with T-Breds and 2 year olds, and thus the expected results.

There is a ton of techincal stuff in the article and some general stuff you can conclude from the findings.

Perhaps it would give all on this topic a clearer idea of bucked shins.

The article is about 14 pages and in pdf format.

Just a side note. Calling a poster a clown, or other names serves no purpose.
Ignore the poster, argue the points of the argument, but name calling is not what a forum should be about.

Originally Posted by theiman

Just a side note. Calling a poster a clown, or other names serves no purpose.
Ignore the poster, argue the points of the argument, but name calling is not what a forum should be about.

Says you. To others calling a clown a clown is delightful and LOLLERFUL.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by theiman

Interesting study done about 5 years ago regarding bucked shins.

http://www2.vet.upenn.edu/labs/corl/...uckedshins.pdf

I would gather racing 2 year olds on dirt surfaces isnt beneficial, in relation to bucked shins. Part might be from the development point of a 2 year old, part may be the surface, and part may be the speed of the horse in training.

Bafferts style, with his QH background might lead to the approach he has shown with T-Breds and 2 year olds, and thus the expected results.

There is a ton of techincal stuff in the article and some general stuff you can conclude from the findings.

Perhaps it would give all on this topic a clearer idea of bucked shins.

The article is about 14 pages and in pdf format.

Just a side note. Calling a poster a clown, or other names serves no purpose.
Ignore the poster, argue the points of the argument, but name calling is not what a forum should be about.

A great deal of that (I took the liberty of bolding that part) is in reality nothing more than supposition, and while there might be "data" to back up opinion or supposition, in this case it might be an exercise in futility. 2yo's have been racing on dirt forever, and still are (and unless the standardbred industry is going to change, they will continue to do so as well). There's never been an alternative until recent times, hence the passion and the controversy so to speak.

Bucked shins will continue to happen and different people are going to blame and point to problems and solutions. That's what makes the world go 'round, LOL. This certainly isn't a Bob Baffert issue.

Many people have very passionate opinions on dirt, poly/synthetic/etc. and I think the verdict is still out because all of the evidence is not in. This is going to be a life-cycle and now it's still in it's infancy.

Eric

[theiman]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You have no idea the shenanigans this said poster has provided here. Drunk ramblings in the middle of the night, telling posters who disagree to go and die and other nice things. He/she/it is a clown of the highest order. Including blaming anything that is not poly for the problems of any horse. You must have missed his brilliant take on how Barbaro broke down because of the Pimlico dirt. I know I didn't.

Then those are the times for ignore. Most people who do that stuff strive for attention. If they get no resoponse, they tend to move on. I havent been on here that long, thus I didnt know of the posters past.

Thanks for the update.

The article on bucked shins is still good reading.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You have no idea the shenanigans this said poster has provided here. Drunk ramblings in the middle of the night, telling posters who disagree to go and die and other nice things. He/she/it is a clown of the highest order. Including blaming anything that is not poly for the problems of any horse. You must have missed his brilliant take on how Barbaro broke down because of the Pimlico dirt. I know I didn't.

Yep, uses every injury as a chance to slam dirt and promote poly.