why hard spun sucks...

[fpsoxfan]

I think we need to give Hooves a mulligan here. It was a late night post that sounds like it was made out of a little frustration. I think I know where he's coming from in the sense that it would have been more interesting to see him run in the Travers. Obviously it was a smart and in the long run a financially sound decision to run him in the Kings Bishop. It's a shame that the race turned into a two horse race pretty much the whole way around. The horse I used E Z Warrior did not get going until late. I also know that like myself, Hooves is not a chalk man as he has provided many of us on here some great picks. Remember Keeneland? Anyway, let's cut the man some slack.

The real knock on Hard Spun is how slow he ran the last 1/8th. Are the kidding thinking this horse could stay at 10f. He never has and he never will.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Hail2Reason

The real knock on Hard Spun is how slow he ran the last 1/8th. Are the kidding thinking this horse could stay at 10f. He never has and he never will.

you did see the ky derby, right?

Originally Posted by Danzig

you did see the ky derby, right?

Sure did. Last time I checked his last 1/8th was nothing to write home about. Pretty sure he didn't win that one. He can't go 10f. Where was he in the Preakness and Belmont? The horse is a great miler. He just isn't a 10f horse. He will put in a nice effort in the Classic, much like another miler, George Washington did last year, but they are not 10f horses. Neither is Discreet Cat.

[Travis Stone]

What is that saying --- A horse can run any distance, if they go slow enough.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Hail2Reason

Sure did. Last time I checked his last 1/8th was nothing to write home about. Pretty sure he didn't win that one. He can't go 10f. Where was he in the Preakness and Belmont? The horse is a great miler. He just isn't a 10f horse. He will put in a nice effort in the Classic, much like another miler, George Washington did last year, but they are not 10f horses. Neither is Discreet Cat.

so, losing by a length is the difference between getting or not getting the 10f? then i guess AGS REALLY can't get 10f, as far back as he was in the derby, neither can curlin--altho that one did almost get 12f. hmm, can't get the 10f, but got 9 1/2, and lost at 12 by a nose. ok, i think i get it.
yeah, that all makes sense to me...

Originally Posted by Danzig

so, losing by a length is the difference between getting or not getting the 10f? then i guess AGS REALLY can't get 10f, as far back as he was in the derby, neither can curlin--altho that one did almost get 12f. hmm, can't get the 10f, but got 9 1/2, and lost at 12 by a nose. ok, i think i get it.
yeah, that all makes sense to me...

It isn't a matter of whether or not he can get 10f. Obviously he can. He just can't beat the top horses at that distance. He has tried repeatedly and failed repeatedly. Curlin has tried and won. AGS has tried and won. They don't have problems getting the distance.

Hard Spun's best distance is 8f and shorter. Look at the last 1/8th of all his route races. He tires.

Are you saying you know better than the trainer who ran him in a 7f race yesterday instead of a 10f race? The Travers is a much more prestigious race than the Kings Bishop but for some reason the trainer went 7f.

If he runs poorly in the Classic nobody will care. Everyone already knows he can't run that far. Great race for him because he can't hurt his reputation, just like Coolmore's miler last year, George Washington.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Hail2Reason

It isn't a matter of whether or not he can get 10f. Obviously he can. He just can't beat the top horses at that distance. He has tried repeatedly and failed repeatedly. Curlin has tried and won. AGS has tried and won. They don't have problems getting the distance.

Hard Spun's best distance is 8f and shorter. Look at the last 1/8th of all his route races. He tires.

Are you saying you know better than the trainer who ran him in a 7f race yesterday instead of a 10f race? The Travers is a much more prestigious race than the Kings Bishop but for some reason the trainer went 7f.

i think the 7f choice was due to street sense going in the travers, as well as the want to get that gr 1, why not take what may be the easier route? it worked. i'm not saying he is BETTER at the longer, i'm saying the contention he can't handle 10f is wrong. had street sense not gotten a perfect, dream trip in the derby, hard spun is your winner. he has finished ahead of curlin, ahead of AGS, he's in the mix every time.

and please, make up your mind. in your previous post you said he can't get it, now you say he can. which is it??

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Hail2Reason

It isn't a matter of whether or not he can get 10f. Obviously he can. He just can't beat the top horses at that distance. He has tried repeatedly and failed repeatedly. Curlin has tried and won. AGS has tried and won. They don't have problems getting the distance.

Hard Spun's best distance is 8f and shorter. Look at the last 1/8th of all his route races. He tires.

Are you saying you know better than the trainer who ran him in a 7f race yesterday instead of a 10f race? The Travers is a much more prestigious race than the Kings Bishop but for some reason the trainer went 7f.

If he runs poorly in the Classic nobody will care. Everyone already knows he can't run that far. Great race for him because he can't hurt his reputation, just like Coolmore's miler last year, George Washington.

So your over/under on his BCC would be an extremely indifferent 6th?

I'll bet you on that for whatever you want, and take the "6th or better".

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Hail2Reason

The real knock on Hard Spun is how slow he ran the last 1/8th. Are the kidding thinking this horse could stay at 10f. He never has and he never will.

Well, I certainly don't think 10f is going to be his best distance, but his one try at that distance wasn't exactly a complete flop. Second to Street Sense (and therefore in front of horses like Curlin and AGS) is not exactly a shameful performance. Personally I think 8-8.5 furlongs is probably where he would be the most effective, but he can still be pretty decent stretching out to 9f and beyond, and as he showed yesterday, he can sprint and be effective too.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

hmmmmmmmmmmmm...just dont like em...would of loved to see frankle win..i may have been out of line,.. delete at will............

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

hmmmmmmmmmmmm...just dont like em...would of loved to see frankle win..i may have been out of line,.. delete at will............

one thing not to like him, but saying he sucks is quite a statement.