Vick

[skippy3481]

NAACP, ah this orginization is so messed up, does anyone actually listen anymore? They were all over the duke case and already had them convicted before all the evidence came out. Now we have vick who pleaded guilty and heres somebody saying he really didn't do anything wrong per se, he was just trying to limit his jail time because he was being railroaded by his friends. Vick pleaded guilty(I.E HE DID IT) and this guy wants us to be patient... He goes on to say that its sad that he pleaded guilty because now the true facts will probably never come to light.... Honestly can we just stop the blind trust here with the naacp.Just because he is a high profile black athlete does not mean they should feel obligated to defend him.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by skippy3481

NAACP, ah this orginization is so messed up, does anyone actually listen anymore? They were all over the duke case and already had them convicted before all the evidence came out. Now we have vick who pleaded guilty and heres somebody saying he really didn't do anything wrong per se, he was just trying to limit his jail time because he was being railroaded by his friends. Vick pleaded guilty(I.E HE DID IT) and this guy wants us to be patient... He goes on to say that its sad that he pleaded guilty because now the true facts will probably never come to light.... Honestly can we just stop the blind trust here with the naacp.Just because he is a high profile black athlete does not mean they should feel obligated to defend him.

I think he plans to help OJ find the real killers after he gets out of jail.

Just listened to a sports radio talk show driving home from work. Plenty of callers that were quite obviously African American were saying Vick is being punished because white America loves dogs more than people...

Its going racial. I had a feeling.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Just listened to a sports radio talk show driving home from work. Plenty of callers that were quite obviously African American were saying Vick is being punished because white America loves dogs more than people...

Its going racial. I had a feeling.

Of course... it always seems to. I wish people could understand that sometimes it's NOT about race. In fact, most of the time it's not about race. It makes me sick...

[Danzig]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...ge=hill/070821

an excellent article, please read it.

i first heard about it while listening to the jim rome show, and this is the first chance i have had to read it.

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...ge=hill/070821

an excellent article, please read it.

i first heard about it while listening to the jim rome show, and this is the first chance i have had to read it.

That is a heck of a good article.

Misplaced allegiance.
Same thing I saw with Mike Tyson.
Stick by the bad boy.
That image is to be admired and will keep you proud.

I actually heard Stephen A. Smith say that any self-respecting black man should root for Tyson to beat Holyfield (first Fight) for obvious reasons (obvious to him anyway). I have not listened to ESPN lately; Steven A. is not one to hold back on his views. Has anybody listened to what he has said? I have noticed that as he gets older, he has moderated a lot of his thoughts.

[ninetoone]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Just listened to a sports radio talk show driving home from work. Plenty of callers that were quite obviously African American were saying Vick is being punished because white America loves dogs more than people...

Its going racial. I had a feeling.

No way....this card is pulled so often that noone even takes it seriously anymore.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Just listened to a sports radio talk show driving home from work. Plenty of callers that were quite obviously African American were saying Vick is being punished because white America loves dogs more than people...

Its going racial. I had a feeling.

This is also true. I do believe that white America has more love for dogs than people. There was someone that once said that white people would rather kiss a dog on the mouth than kiss a black person. I think that in a lot of instances, that's true too. But that shouldn't take away from the fact that Vick was wrong and has to pay the price. I don't think anyone disputes that fact but where the disagreement comes is in what that price should be. I believe that if anyone else would have gotten prison time, he should too. I believe he should be suspended without pay while he's serving prison time. I believe that he should lose his endorsements. But I also believe that there is something wrong with the system when a person can be convicted of a DUI, where they are putting the lives of many people at risk, regardless of whether they kill anyone or not, and they get less time than what Vick will get. Someone said that it's a new commissioner in place and that if Leonard Little or Reggie Rogers had been guilty of the crimes they committed in today's league, their penalties from the NFL would have been more severe than what they got then. But that's the NFL. What about the justice system? That hasn't changed. Little got 90 days and Rogers got a year. And that's for killing people. Vick should get more than that for being involved in killing dogs? That just doesn't make sense to me. I also don't think it's fair for anyone to decide that they can KNOW who can and can't be rehabilitated. Not a single person knows how the down time will effect Vick. I'll agree that it's likely that it won't make him change his beliefs.....but that doesn't mean that it can't happen. I also don't think that many black people are saying that Vick is being punished because he's black. I think they are saying that he's being punished MORE because he's black. I'm not sure that there isn't some truth to that. There is a reason that a jury is supposed to be made up of your peers. To a lot of black people, especially in the South and in the ghetto, right or wrong (and I do think it's wrong), dog fighting is something that is seen as just something else that goes on. I've talked before about how, when u've seen something long enough, even something as dispicable as this, u develop a sort of immunity to it. That's just the way it is. I would bet that if u asked most black people what they think should happen here, most would say he should do his time as mandated by the law and then he should be given the opportunity to come back. If no owner wants to take a chance on him because of the negative publicity that would come along with it, then he won't play again. But I guarantee that some would. Some of the same guys that are condeming him today would sign him tomorrow if it could mean a few more wins and more fans in the seats to watch him play and more money in their pockets. This is the truth. Sex offenders, murderers, thieves, white collar criminals......all can be rehabilitated. But Vick can't. A person can bilk many people out of millions of dollars and effect people's entire lives and families for generations and get a slap on the wrist but Vick should be in prison for life? I just have a hard time with that. What's sad is that if Vick had killed a human, the outrage wouldn't be nearly as bad.

Originally Posted by King Glorious

This is also true. I do believe that white America has more love for dogs than people. There was someone that once said that white people would rather kiss a dog on the mouth than kiss a black person. I think that in a lot of instances, that's true too.

And I am partially white/hispanic and disagree with you most vehemently.

I would rather kiss a dog than most people of any color because they dont have human germs, thats a no brainer.

BTW. Just as an example that represents an anamoly to your arguement, my daughter's basketball team went into a dining establishment that had stuffed animals of all sorts adoroning the walls and served all sorts of meats.
This little(she is 6' tall)girl on the team was absolutely horrified and could not eat...had to go outside.
But when we played games, she was the one we had to warn about not hurting other kids. She liked to get into fights. She is African American. I find this kind of attitute absolutely perplexing no matter what color one is.

So most of my limited experience tells me you are wrong.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

This is also true. I do believe that white America has more love for dogs than people. There was someone that once said that white people would rather kiss a dog on the mouth than kiss a black person. I think that in a lot of instances, that's true too. But that shouldn't take away from the fact that Vick was wrong and has to pay the price. I don't think anyone disputes that fact but where the disagreement comes is in what that price should be. I believe that if anyone else would have gotten prison time, he should too. I believe he should be suspended without pay while he's serving prison time. I believe that he should lose his endorsements. But I also believe that there is something wrong with the system when a person can be convicted of a DUI, where they are putting the lives of many people at risk, regardless of whether they kill anyone or not, and they get less time than what Vick will get. Someone said that it's a new commissioner in place and that if Leonard Little or Reggie Rogers had been guilty of the crimes they committed in today's league, their penalties from the NFL would have been more severe than what they got then. But that's the NFL. What about the justice system? That hasn't changed. Little got 90 days and Rogers got a year. And that's for killing people. Vick should get more than that for being involved in killing dogs? That just doesn't make sense to me. I also don't think it's fair for anyone to decide that they can KNOW who can and can't be rehabilitated. Not a single person knows how the down time will effect Vick. I'll agree that it's likely that it won't make him change his beliefs.....but that doesn't mean that it can't happen. I also don't think that many black people are saying that Vick is being punished because he's black. I think they are saying that he's being punished MORE because he's black. I'm not sure that there isn't some truth to that. There is a reason that a jury is supposed to be made up of your peers. To a lot of black people, especially in the South and in the ghetto, right or wrong (and I do think it's wrong), dog fighting is something that is seen as just something else that goes on. I've talked before about how, when u've seen something long enough, even something as dispicable as this, u develop a sort of immunity to it. That's just the way it is. I would bet that if u asked most black people what they think should happen here, most would say he should do his time as mandated by the law and then he should be given the opportunity to come back. If no owner wants to take a chance on him because of the negative publicity that would come along with it, then he won't play again. But I guarantee that some would. Some of the same guys that are condeming him today would sign him tomorrow if it could mean a few more wins and more fans in the seats to watch him play and more money in their pockets. This is the truth. Sex offenders, murderers, thieves, white collar criminals......all can be rehabilitated. But Vick can't. A person can bilk many people out of millions of dollars and effect people's entire lives and families for generations and get a slap on the wrist but Vick should be in prison for life? I just have a hard time with that. What's sad is that if Vick had killed a human, the outrage wouldn't be nearly as bad.

ugh, kissing a dog. i like dogs, but they lare none to picky about what they put in their mouths.

Originally Posted by Danzig

ugh, kissing a dog. i like dogs, but they lare none to picky about what they put in their mouths.

So you would kiss Morton potty mouth?
Can you imagine where his mouth has been...

[Cajungator26]

It depends on the dog...

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by pgardn

So you would kiss Morton potty mouth?
Can you imagine where his mouth has been...

Say....





.....this guy's gooood!















I think he's the comedy writer for Hillary Clinton.


Man ..that dog just don't hunt.

[2MinsToPost]

Originally Posted by skippy3481

NAACP, ah this orginization is so messed up, does anyone actually listen anymore? They were all over the duke case and already had them convicted before all the evidence came out. Now we have vick who pleaded guilty and heres somebody saying he really didn't do anything wrong per se, he was just trying to limit his jail time because he was being railroaded by his friends. Vick pleaded guilty(I.E HE DID IT) and this guy wants us to be patient... He goes on to say that its sad that he pleaded guilty because now the true facts will probably never come to light.... Honestly can we just stop the blind trust here with the naacp.Just because he is a high profile black athlete does not mean they should feel obligated to defend him.

This post is dead solid perfect

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by skippy3481

NAACP, ah this orginization is so messed up, does anyone actually listen anymore? They were all over the duke case and already had them convicted before all the evidence came out. Now we have vick who pleaded guilty and heres somebody saying he really didn't do anything wrong per se, he was just trying to limit his jail time because he was being railroaded by his friends. Vick pleaded guilty(I.E HE DID IT) and this guy wants us to be patient... He goes on to say that its sad that he pleaded guilty because now the true facts will probably never come to light.... Honestly can we just stop the blind trust here with the naacp.Just because he is a high profile black athlete does not mean they should feel obligated to defend him.

I am African American and I agree with this post 100%. In a lot of instances, I think the NAACP is a joke. This doesn't change my thoughts.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I am African American and I agree with this post 100%. In a lot of instances, I think the NAACP is a joke. This doesn't change my thoughts.

The hero worship can only take folks so far, the NAACP should remember that Vick's main accusors are now his friends...all black folks as well! I understand the hesitation of the black community to fall into blind acceptance of a justice system that has failed them so often, but this is NOT the case to take a stand behind...Vick has now admitted his guilt...the fat lady has sung, Elvis has left the building, Jim Morrison has pulled has pants back up...it's over!

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

The hero worship can only take folks so far, the NAACP should remember that Vick's main accusors are now his friends...all black folks as well! I understand the hesitation of the black community to fall into blind acceptance of a justice system that has failed them so often, but this is NOT the case to take a stand behind...Vick has now admitted his guilt...the fat lady has sung, Elvis has left the building, Jim Morrison has pulled has pants back up...it's over!

I know that there are some that will not understand where I'm coming from on this but I'm going to say it anyway. Vick has not admitted much. Please, please don't take this as I'm saying he's innocent because I'm not but I've known guys in other situations where they took deals for things they were innocent of because they knew that if it went to trial and they lost (and in this country, we should know by now that anything can happen at trial), they would get far worse.

But to the original point, u are right. This is not the case to stand behind. The NAACP is a very hypocrital organization. They try to make it seem like they are speaking for all black people when in actuality, they are speaking for very few. Same goes for Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. I don't know who voted them the unofficial president and vice president of black America.......but I'd like to demand a recount.

[Danzig]

the naacp exists for itself. to feed itself, fund itself, it is a business after all.


as for vick, and appropriate punishment, i agree 100% that the penalties handed out in many instances is an outrage. none more so recently IMO than the woman who shot her husband in the back and killed him, and is already free.

martha stewart spent more time in jail than many violent criminals. absolutely too many sentences for probation handed out. problem is not enough jail space. so save jail space for violent offenders, and slap those such as stewart with a hefty fine.

[Mortimer]

This is also true. I do believe that white America has more love for dogs than people. There was someone that once said that white people would rather kiss a dog on the mouth than kiss a black person.


Hey that's pretty good!

I believe still true in many cases...although this fine white person will take a nice kissy-poo from a BrownSugar over a wuffie ANYDAY!


I am beginning to like you a lot more...although I won't kiss you.

Perhaps GoovesInsideHisHeadHO might.




Not that you're interested.

[Mortimer]

So most of my limited experience tells me you are wrong.
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I suppose he'd rather fucl< a wuffie as well.