Irish Racing

[brockguy]

I think the Derby is the only time they segregate the Curragh, every other time, you can go anywhere. It can be a depressing place on a cold wet and usually windy day.


by the way,what NoChance was alluding to, handicap races in ireland are a bit of a mish mosh as some horses have absolutely zero form but are obviously laid out for a certain race and their odds reflect that. A J Martin and to a lesser extent Christy Roche are notorious for it. Its the real gangster part of the game here and its basically cheating but no-one really moans as they feel that the lads have performed a good old fashioned coup against the bad bookies.

[scanman]

Originally Posted by brockguy

I think the Derby is the only time they segregate the Curragh, every other time, you can go anywhere. It can be a depressing place on a cold wet and usually windy day.


by the way,what NoChance was alluding to, handicap races in ireland are a bit of a mish mosh as some horses have absolutely zero form but are obviously laid out for a certain race and their odds reflect that. A J Martin and to a lesser extent Christy Roche are notorious for it. Its the real gangster part of the game here and its basically cheating but no-one really moans as they feel that the lads have performed a good old fashioned coup against the bad bookies.

Okay, good to know, will definitely keep an eye out. Though, what type of market move would indicate that they have a "live" horse in?

[viscount26]

Originally Posted by scanman

Okay, good to know, will definitely keep an eye out. Though, what type of market move would indicate that they have a "live" horse in?

Watch the bookmakers boards. If you see movement on a certain horse, move quickly down the line, and see if someone is slow to change their boards. It worked for me at Ascot in the 90's. I saw a little old Irish Guy, put a 200 pound bet on a 40'1 shot in the 2mile Ascot Cup. The 5 bookies close by, all cut their price to 25/1. I hooved it about 50 feet down the rail and found a bookie who still had it at 40's Got the price and the horse won by 6 lengths

[scanman]

Originally Posted by viscount26

Watch the bookmakers boards. If you see movement on a certain horse, move quickly down the line, and see if someone is slow to change their boards. It worked for me at Ascot in the 90's. I saw a little old Irish Guy, put a 200 pound bet on a 40'1 shot in the 2mile Ascot Cup. The 5 bookies close by, all cut their price to 25/1. I hooved it about 50 feet down the rail and found a bookie who still had it at 40's Got the price and the horse won by 6 lengths

Yeah, that's one of the beauties of Irish/British racing, the opportunity to shop for odds.

Thanks, but I was trying to get a better indication of these two trainers, if there is a trend.

[viscount26]

Originally Posted by scanman

Yeah, that's one of the beauties of Irish/British racing, the opportunity to shop for odds.

Thanks, but I was trying to get a better indication of these two trainers, if there is a trend.

No problem. I'll leave this one for the Irish Boys. Your'e up Brockman

[brockguy]

usually the bookies take no chances and price up alot of say Martin's horses quite low in handicaps, but alot of times, the guys dont care about the price so the money keeps pouring in and the price goes down again. The one thing I can say about Martin is that he usually puts up one of the top guys like Carberry or Walsh or Berry on the flat when theres a gamble. if he has someone else, its sometimes a signal.

On another note, Tralee is hopping at the moment with the Rose Of Tralee festival on (Im watching it at the mo) so theres a big crowd down there. Unfortunately, some people thought it wasnt exciting enough and thought what a better way to liven things up than create a bomb hoax at Tralee racecourse today. http://www.rte.ie/sport/racing/2007/0821/tralee1.html

[scanman]

Originally Posted by brockguy

usually the bookies take no chances and price up alot of say Martin's horses quite low in handicaps, but alot of times, the guys dont care about the price so the money keeps pouring in and the price goes down again. The one thing I can say about Martin is that he usually puts up one of the top guys like Carberry or Walsh or Berry on the flat when theres a gamble. if he has someone else, its sometimes a signal.

On another note, Tralee is hopping at the moment with the Rose Of Tralee festival on (Im watching it at the mo) so theres a big crowd down there. Unfortunately, some people thought it wasnt exciting enough and thought what a better way to liven things up than create a bomb hoax at Tralee racecourse today. http://www.rte.ie/sport/racing/2007/0821/tralee1.html

Brockguy, excellent insight and will note who he puts up on his horses.

I hear that the Rose Of Tralee festival is blast. I hope to take in some of the celebrations after racing. Hopefully, the moron that called in the bomb hoax got it out of his system and there won't be anymore foolishness during the rest of the meeting.

Let me know if you be at any of the meetings that I'll be attending. If so, the pints are on me. Thanks again.