A Saratoga Crime

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gamblin4ever

I agree w/ the appeal in reasonable amount of time, but why can't it be within a week of the race, since most jockeys will file an appeal if they are riding in a big stakes race coming up so they can still ride. Just my opinion.

Because often you file an injunction with a real court which takes time. Blame our legal system not the stewards as they often have their hands tied. Of course having your hands tied shouldn't effect thier vision so much...

[parsixfarms]

Not to revisit bad memories, but I though the race where Cannon Shell's horse was DQ'd towards the end of the Churchill meet was much worse than this one. And I've seen some real doozies in Florida, where the stewards seemingly exercise no discretion at all (and adhere to the "a foul is a foul" mantra, regardless of the impact on the outcome of a race).

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Because often you file an injunction with a real court which takes time. Blame our legal system not the stewards as they often have their hands tied. Of course having your hands tied shouldn't effect thier vision so much...

Chuck, why do they have to involve the court system for on track occurances? Doesn't the stewards have final say as far as fines and suspensions? I just think the legal system is busy with enough with there own issues to deal with the fact if Eibar Coa should be suspended this week or not.

[SentToStud]

When is the last time a jockey appealed to court a suspension of 3 or 5 days for something like Coa did? He'd never win. The only thing that could happen is the days get postponed until after Saratoga. He'd still get days.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

When is the last time a jockey appealed to court a suspension of 3 or 5 days for something like Coa did? He'd never win. The only thing that could happen is the days get postponed until after Saratoga. He'd still get days.

You are just filing an injunction which is simply a stalling tactic in cases like these.

Jockeys do this all the time.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Chuck, why do they have to involve the court system for on track occurances? Doesn't the stewards have final say as far as fines and suspensions? I just think the legal system is busy with enough with there own issues to deal with the fact if Eibar Coa should be suspended this week or not.

Because we have rights as citizens and not allowing them due process would violate those rights? I am not a lawyer nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night but I believe that the stewards are acting on behalf of a government/state agency when they hand down suspensions and fines and as such Jockeys and trainers have rights to appeal under most state laws which would supercede any racing rules. I may be way off and a real lawyer may have better insight bot this is how it has been explained to me.

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Because we have rights as citizens and not allowing them due process would violate those rights? I am not a lawyer nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night but I believe that the stewards are acting on behalf of a government/state agency when they hand down suspensions and fines and as such Jockeys and trainers have rights to appeal under most state laws which would supercede any racing rules. I may be way off and a real lawyer may have better insight bot this is how it has been explained to me.

I agree, to a point. If the Stewards repersent the state, then can't the state have a arbitrator for Racing. I am sure he can do other arbitration cases as well, but if a racing case comes ups, it must get resovled in no less then 14 days. I understand that anything involving the state can be this simple, but to allow months and even years to go by with no resolution it is only hurting eveyone involved but the person who asked for the appeal.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ARyan

I agree, to a point. If the Stewards repersent the state, then can't the state have a arbitrator for Racing. I am sure he can do other arbitration cases as well, but if a racing case comes ups, it must get resovled in no less then 14 days. I understand that anything involving the state can be this simple, but to allow months and even years to go by with no resolution it is only hurting eveyone involved but the person who asked for the appeal.

I doubt that this is high on anyone priority list in state gov't.

What if the ruling was in error? Shouldn't the injured party have time to a fair and proper hearing? Why is it hurting anyone if a jockey is allowed to continue to ride/?

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I doubt that this is high on anyone priority list in state gov't.

What if the ruling was in error? Shouldn't the injured party have time to a fair and proper hearing? Why is it hurting anyone if a jockey is allowed to continue to ride/?

If it was an error, why wouldn't a state issued arbitrator be able to correct it in 14 days?

How long does the appeal process take in other sports? Arbitration in contract disputes in sports get wrapped up much quicker than these in racing.

With trainers the process may have to be a longer one, as I doubt any medication appeals can be done by a third party testing party within 14 days, but even that shouldn't go on for months and years.

Eibar Coa should be serving his days, he is danger out there right now, and how can you send a message to him now? My bet is he won't take his days till Aqueduct. Is that fair? What if, and I hope this doesn't happen, his reckless racing hurts another horse or jockey, or multiple horses and jockeys. What then? We just shrug it off as nothing when he takes his days for the preceding events at Aqueduct in December?

I am just saying, the process is flawed, and needs to be looked at...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ARyan

If it was an error, why wouldn't a state issued arbitrator be able to correct it in 14 days?

How long does the appeal process take in other sports? Arbitration in contract disputes in sports get wrapped up much quicker than these in racing.

With trainers the process may have to be a longer one, as I doubt any medication appeals can be done by a third party testing party within 14 days, but even that shouldn't go on for months and years.

Eibar Coa should be serving his days, he is danger out there right now, and how can you send a message to him now? My bet is he won't take his days till Aqueduct. Is that fair? What if, and I hope this doesn't happen, his reckless racing hurts another horse or jockey, or multiple horses and jockeys. What then? We just shrug it off as nothing when he takes his days for the preceding events at Aqueduct in December?

I am just saying, the process is flawed, and needs to be looked at...

Because in our legal system nothing gets done in 14 days.

Do you really think giving a jockey a week's vacation will make him ride any differently when he comes back?