A Saratoga Crime

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

Then deal with I-bar directly instead of costing those who had a winning ticket...time for Mr.Coa to get a stern talking to by the stewards, his riding lately has been down right dangerous!

What is the point if the racing jurisdictions allow trainers and jockeys to appeal for months and months untill they want to take the suspension. If you get fined and/or suspended you should be allowed to appeal. However the appeal should take place within a reasonable amount of time (14 days should be enough, don't you think?) After that, if you are still found to be guilty, you should have to serve the days immediatly. Just my thoughts...

[gamblin4ever]

Originally Posted by ARyan

What is the point if the racing jurisdictions allow trainers and jockeys to appeal for months and months untill they want to take the suspension. If you get fined and/or suspended you should be allowed to appeal. However the appeal should take place within a reasonable amount of time (14 days should be enough, don't you think?) After that, if you are still found to be guilty, you should have to serve the days immediatly. Just my thoughts...

I agree w/ the appeal in reasonable amount of time, but why can't it be within a week of the race, since most jockeys will file an appeal if they are riding in a big stakes race coming up so they can still ride. Just my opinion.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gamblin4ever

I agree w/ the appeal in reasonable amount of time, but why can't it be within a week of the race, since most jockeys will file an appeal if they are riding in a big stakes race coming up so they can still ride. Just my opinion.

Because often you file an injunction with a real court which takes time. Blame our legal system not the stewards as they often have their hands tied. Of course having your hands tied shouldn't effect thier vision so much...

[parsixfarms]

Not to revisit bad memories, but I though the race where Cannon Shell's horse was DQ'd towards the end of the Churchill meet was much worse than this one. And I've seen some real doozies in Florida, where the stewards seemingly exercise no discretion at all (and adhere to the "a foul is a foul" mantra, regardless of the impact on the outcome of a race).

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Because often you file an injunction with a real court which takes time. Blame our legal system not the stewards as they often have their hands tied. Of course having your hands tied shouldn't effect thier vision so much...

Chuck, why do they have to involve the court system for on track occurances? Doesn't the stewards have final say as far as fines and suspensions? I just think the legal system is busy with enough with there own issues to deal with the fact if Eibar Coa should be suspended this week or not.

[SentToStud]

When is the last time a jockey appealed to court a suspension of 3 or 5 days for something like Coa did? He'd never win. The only thing that could happen is the days get postponed until after Saratoga. He'd still get days.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

When is the last time a jockey appealed to court a suspension of 3 or 5 days for something like Coa did? He'd never win. The only thing that could happen is the days get postponed until after Saratoga. He'd still get days.

You are just filing an injunction which is simply a stalling tactic in cases like these.

Jockeys do this all the time.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Chuck, why do they have to involve the court system for on track occurances? Doesn't the stewards have final say as far as fines and suspensions? I just think the legal system is busy with enough with there own issues to deal with the fact if Eibar Coa should be suspended this week or not.

Because we have rights as citizens and not allowing them due process would violate those rights? I am not a lawyer nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night but I believe that the stewards are acting on behalf of a government/state agency when they hand down suspensions and fines and as such Jockeys and trainers have rights to appeal under most state laws which would supercede any racing rules. I may be way off and a real lawyer may have better insight bot this is how it has been explained to me.

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Because we have rights as citizens and not allowing them due process would violate those rights? I am not a lawyer nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night but I believe that the stewards are acting on behalf of a government/state agency when they hand down suspensions and fines and as such Jockeys and trainers have rights to appeal under most state laws which would supercede any racing rules. I may be way off and a real lawyer may have better insight bot this is how it has been explained to me.

I agree, to a point. If the Stewards repersent the state, then can't the state have a arbitrator for Racing. I am sure he can do other arbitration cases as well, but if a racing case comes ups, it must get resovled in no less then 14 days. I understand that anything involving the state can be this simple, but to allow months and even years to go by with no resolution it is only hurting eveyone involved but the person who asked for the appeal.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ARyan

I agree, to a point. If the Stewards repersent the state, then can't the state have a arbitrator for Racing. I am sure he can do other arbitration cases as well, but if a racing case comes ups, it must get resovled in no less then 14 days. I understand that anything involving the state can be this simple, but to allow months and even years to go by with no resolution it is only hurting eveyone involved but the person who asked for the appeal.

I doubt that this is high on anyone priority list in state gov't.

What if the ruling was in error? Shouldn't the injured party have time to a fair and proper hearing? Why is it hurting anyone if a jockey is allowed to continue to ride/?