Hard Spun to the King's Bishop

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

how many consecutive 2-4 place finishes will it take to convince you he isn't at the top of the 3yo crop, let alone elders.

Considering I've not bet him to win in any of these big races so far.....It's not like I've been chasing this horse.

The older horse division is pretty damn weak.

Hard Spun will run much better uncontested than he will stalking--where he tends to get rank...which he even did in his win at Turfway that you mentioned.

Where is his bad race when he's made the lead?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Considering I've not bet him to win in any of these big races so far.....It's not like I've been chasing this horse.

The older horse division is pretty damn weak.

Hard Spun will run much better uncontested than he will stalking--where he tends to get rank...which he even did in his win at Turfway that you mentioned.

Where is his bad race when he's made the lead?

where is any race of his that demonstrates he could win the classic? there will likely be three 3yo's that have beat him at various distances, (Street Sense, Curlin, AGS). To me its inconceivable that even if he inherits an easy lead that he will lull everyone to sleep and steal it, even given the weakness of the older division.

I'm not a historian, has the classic ever been wired? if so how many times.?

in all honesty i get the sense that you are joking.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Joking about what?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Joking about what?

about Hard Spun sneaking off and winning the classic.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

where is any race of his that demonstrates he could win the classic? there will likely be three 3yo's that have beat him at various distances, (Street Sense, Curlin, AGS). To me its inconceivable that even if he inherits an easy lead that he will lull everyone to sleep and steal it, even given the weakness of the older division.

I'm not a historian, has the classic ever been wired? if so how many times.?

in all honesty i get the sense that you are joking.

Actually it's been done 3 times:

1991 - Black Tie Affair
2000 - Tiznow
2004 - the amazing Ghostzapper

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Actually it's been done 3 times:

1991 - Black Tie Affair
2000 - Tiznow
2004 - the amazing Ghostzapper

thanks,

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I'm not a historian, has the classic ever been wired? if so how many times.?

Wild Again dueled with Slew O' Gold's rabbit through insane fractions and won at a big price (he was 30/1 on the ML)

I'm almost positive Skywalker won wire-to-wire

Black Tie Affair went wire-to-wire and earned one of the all-time fastest Beyers in the history of the race

Ghostzapper went wire-to-wire and earned jointly the all-time fastest figure in the history of this race.

You have to remember though, there was no BC Dirt Mile in years past, and the cheap speed horses who run in the Classic each year would have gone in that race if there had been.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

where is any race of his that demonstrates he could win the classic? there will likely be three 3yo's that have beat him at various distances, (Street Sense, Curlin, AGS). To me its inconceivable that even if he inherits an easy lead that he will lull everyone to sleep and steal it, even given the weakness of the older division.

I'm not a historian, has the classic ever been wired? if so how many times.?

in all honesty i get the sense that you are joking.

I remember... Ghostzapper, Tiznow @ CD, Cat Thief?, Black Tie Affair, Wild Again?. I think...

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I remember... Ghostzapper, Tiznow @ CD, Cat Thief?, Black Tie Affair, Wild Again?. I think...

His race was probably the most visually impressive win that I've ever seen (on replay). Unbelievable how he was still there at the wire, let alone fending off a late charge by a stretch runner. Wasn't that the inception year of BC?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

His race was probably the most visually impressive win that I've ever seen (on replay). Unbelievable how he was still there at the wire, let alone fending off a late charge by a stretch runner. Wasn't that the inception year of BC?

Visually impressive? No doubt about it!

However, it wasn't fast. They ran the Breeders Cup Distaff at 10 furlongs back than, and the spectacular Princess Rooney's final time in victory was much faster than Wild Again's.

It was the inagural Breeders Cup.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

His race was probably the most visually impressive win that I've ever seen (on replay). Unbelievable how he was still there at the wire, let alone fending off a late charge by a stretch runner. Wasn't that the inception year of BC?

Yes, 1984. W.A. beat off Precisionist andd one other speed horse and somehow held off Gate Dancer and Slew O Gold. Hell of a race.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I believe the other speed horse was a rabbit for Slew O' Gold who was gunned from the outset.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I believe the other speed horse was a rabbit for Slew O' Gold who was gunned from the outset.

I couldn't remember so I looked it up. It was Mugatee. btw, here's a link to all the BCC charts.http://breederscup.com/images/02_CLASSIC.pdf

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Yes, 1984. W.A. beat off Precisionist andd one other speed horse and somehow held off Gate Dancer and Slew O Gold. Hell of a race.

........gate dancer was robbed in what could have been the biggest stwards blown call in the history of the b cup