Lawyer Ron's Time

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by Danzig

if the racing ability of a broodmare had anything to do with it, a lot of farms would have a lot of explaining to do. lots of unraced broodmares, and ones who didn't do much track-wise.

he's no bernardini, but he's no john henry either.

A)She's not unraced, she's just not of any accomplishment. There's a difference and we're not gonna go off on some tangent about how it's been demonstrated that the more accomplished racemares overall have a greater likelihood of producing more accomplished offspring. And about 'a lot of farms'...most of them don't have blue blood sires unless the conformation is lousy or they ended up with them after they got passed around as flops at stud. Those farms also aren't throwing out Breeders' Cup and Derby winners right and left so it just buoys up what we're saying, these guys are in the trenches trying to prove themselves as breed-to-racers.

B)You'll notice if you happen to look at his female family that his dam had another $200,000+ earner who did it the hard way, a gelding with no stakes wins whatsoever. Nice job fella but blacktype it ain't. Second dam: No stakes wins, 8 wins out of 57 starts and not financially rewarding after 7 years on the track--looks like just about every year she was losing someone money given cost of training,etc. Add to that that her four foals have, combined, earned even less than she did. Third dam: 11 starts and earned $4000. Ah oh oh...check it, his 4th dam is a blacktype producer in Venezuela! Penaranda makes good for Lawyer Ron's female family, represent! Excuse me while I go roll out the red carpet. That sucker's heavy, this could take a minute.

His female family is to be overcome as a stallion rather than acting as asset. That should be all you need but I felt the need to spell it out since there was apparently confusion. I'm sure some sibling has a half cousin who's best friend won a minor or even major stakes once but there's a point where it's a little reaching. I mean did you know there's a horse in an optional claimer this week that, wonder of wonders, is a descendant of Eclipse? Now I just made up the circumstances of that last bit but I don't doubt that there is. I'm not trying to be obnoxious here but Lawyer Ron's earned his way as a stallion prospect. Dear old mom didn't provide a silver spoon to feed him colostrum. That's not a bad thing, just a fact.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

A)She's not unraced, she's just not of any accomplishment. There's a difference and we're not gonna go off on some tangent about how it's been demonstrated that the more accomplished racemares overall have a greater likelihood of producing more accomplished offspring. And about 'a lot of farms'...most of them don't have blue blood sires unless the conformation is lousy or they ended up with them after they got passed around as flops at stud. Those farms also aren't throwing out Breeders' Cup and Derby winners right and left so it just buoys up what we're saying, these guys are in the trenches trying to prove themselves as breed-to-racers.

B)You'll notice if you happen to look at his female family that his dam had another $200,000+ earner who did it the hard way, a gelding with no stakes wins whatsoever. Nice job fella but blacktype it ain't. Second dam: No stakes wins, 8 wins out of 57 starts and not financially rewarding after 7 years on the track--looks like just about every year she was losing someone money given cost of training,etc. Add to that that her four foals have, combined, earned even less than she did. Third dam: 11 starts and earned $4000. Ah oh oh...check it, his 4th dam is a blacktype producer in Venezuela! Penaranda makes good for Lawyer Ron's female family, represent! Excuse me while I go roll out the red carpet. That sucker's heavy, this could take a minute.

His female family is to be overcome as a stallion rather than acting as asset. That should be all you need but I felt the need to spell it out since there was apparently confusion. I'm sure some sibling has a half cousin who's best friend won a minor or even major stakes once but there's a point where it's a little reaching. I mean did you know there's a horse in an optional claimer this week that, wonder of wonders, is a descendant of Eclipse? Now I just made up the circumstances of that last bit but I don't doubt that there is. I'm not trying to be obnoxious here but Lawyer Ron's earned his way as a stallion prospect. Dear old mom didn't provide a silver spoon to feed him colostrum. That's not a bad thing, just a fact.

i didn't realize only the female side was to be considered...i guess we'll toss out lord avies successes, oh but speaking of mares, let's also discount avie, lord avies dam, and her four black-type winners, or evilone and her three black typers.. no doubt we could both find horses in that pedigree to show why he is or is not a working class horse.

at any rate, thanks for the i'm not trying to be obnoxious part....it generally is included in an obnoxious post, so i'll just assume the best.

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i didn't realize only the female side was to be considered...i guess we'll toss out lord avies successes, oh but speaking of mares, let's also discount avie, lord avies dam, and her four black-type winners, or evilone and her three black typers.. no doubt we could both find horses in that pedigree to show why he is or is not a working class horse.

at any rate, thanks for the i'm not trying to be obnoxious part....it generally is included in an obnoxious post, so i'll just assume the best.

You obviously don't obsess much about pedigree or this wouldn't be a point of argument. Your approach is pretty naive. You're the one being obnoxious by trying to take facts that people who know what they're talking about understand and thinking that because you don't get it, it must be wrong. Lawyer Ron's dam isn't the old grey nag but she's not Toussaud either. Deal with it. People looking at stallions consider this in how well bred the stallion is and his tail female line is pedestrian compared to others in the market like Bernardini, Giant's Causeway, Empire Maker. What's so hard to understand?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

You obviously don't obsess much about pedigree or this wouldn't be a point of argument. Your approach is pretty naive. You're the one being obnoxious by trying to take facts that people who know what they're talking about understand and thinking that because you don't get it, it must be wrong. Lawyer Ron's dam isn't the old grey nag but she's not Toussaud either. Deal with it. People looking at stallions consider this in how well bred the stallion is and his tail female line is pedestrian compared to others in the market like Bernardini, Giant's Causeway, Empire Maker. What's so hard to understand?

i said he's no bernardini. i also said he's no working class horse either. my apologies for being obnoxious. i was never aware before that i rubbed you the wrong way, i certainly don't remember you being condescending to me before, i apologize for that as well, along with my naivete and my not getting it. i'll keep all that in mind the next time i try to present my point of view, altho apparently my opinions aren't very well thought out....i hope you have a nice day, and that next time we are in agreement, so i don't get a dressing down for a post or two.