Zayat is Leaving; Baffert hates it

[gamblin4ever]

Since Zayat and Baffert likes speed horses so much, maybe they should move to Charles Town and Mountaineer..

[TitanSooner]

or Monmouth

If you cant adjust to change in today's world, get out. I understand the frustration, but if handle is up... something is working. And I just cant believe the stuff plays totally randomly.

We have a bunch of horses bred for speed and they cost money. That would make me mad if I had invested and spent time in selecting. ANd of course they lost to a so called crappy horse with endurance. Well maybe that horse is not crappy anymore.
We have horses whose worth in the shed might change drastically if more tracks go to artificial. That would make me mad as a breeder.

We have the TC races on dirt, and major tracks in NY and other places still doing dirt... that might get me upset as a handicapper of multiple tracks whose circuits overlap with artificial. Or a long time handicapper whose favorite track just changed surfaces. Make the necessary adjustments. If it is really a crapshoot, stop betting.

But what are you going to do, just cry about it, or adjust. Determining if this is a temporary trend, or a long term thing that will spread to all major tracks including eventually TC races and the BC, is very interesting for the future.

Embrace the change and the uncertanties, or fight the changes to the death because you know they will ruin your all your notions, planning, your sport, your life. What happened to the poor guys that invented Beta tapes... Quit and cry, or keep pace with change.
People on here are using the internet. There are still people who wont get on it, hate it.

[Danzig]

so is it just the type of poly track that causes this? monmouth favors speed, but monmouth is dirt...

is speed really dying at del mar, or just zayats speed horses? what are the #'s for del mar (if anyone can look in their program, if they list %'s like arlington does?). is cushion biased at all? does it depend on sun, cloudy? rain, dry?
perception is one thing, reality another. is it a reality that only closers win? if so, where do speedsters go? or do they just rest til hollywood? but is hollywood playing fair?

and what about santa anita, they're cushion right?


sires are known for being milers, turfers, etc--are there any known sires of early speedsters? if so, what does it mean for them, and their owners?