Circular Quay

[Pointg5]

However, he did say that Rock Hard Ten would never lose again when he left that clown's barn and went to Mandella, and he was right there....[/quote]


Real nice, I would say that "clown" was put under an extraordinary set of circumstances to get the horse in the Derby, didn't happen, but the owners kept pushing and I would say that he did a pretty good job under the constraints he was under. He would have never beat Smarty, no matter what, but it's no shame to run 2nd to him. And as for Mandella, I do not believe he is setting the world on fire right now....

Originally Posted by Pointg5

However, he did say that Rock Hard Ten would never lose again when he left that clown's barn and went to Mandella, and he was right there....

Real nice, I would say that "clown" was put under an extraordinary set of circumstances to get the horse in the Derby, didn't happen, but the owners kept pushing and I would say that he did a pretty good job under the constraints he was under. He would have never beat Smarty, no matter what, but it's no shame to run 2nd to him. And as for Mandella, I do not believe he is setting the world on fire right now....[/quote]

Don't crusify the messenger...it was on the radio with that host from Vegas when somebody on that show referred to the horse as "going from a clown stable to a crown stable"....not my words

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Real nice, I would say that "clown" was put under an extraordinary set of circumstances to get the horse in the Derby, didn't happen, but the owners kept pushing and I would say that he did a pretty good job under the constraints he was under. He would have never beat Smarty, no matter what, but it's no shame to run 2nd to him. And as for Mandella, I do not believe he is setting the world on fire right now....

Don't crusify the messenger...it was on the radio with that host from Vegas when somebody on that show referred to the horse as "going from a clown stable to a crown stable"....not my words[/quote]

My bad, I did not realize you were repeating what Stevens said, I apologize for that...

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Don't crusify the messenger...it was on the radio with that host from Vegas when somebody on that show referred to the horse as "going from a clown stable to a crown stable"....not my words

My bad, I did not realize you were repeating what Stevens said, I apologize for that...[/quote]

Actually, I don't even think Stevens said it...it was the host or co-host...Who is the guy that has the Vegas horse racing show...Shiraca, or something?

BTW, not everybody has to agree with my analysis or even like it the least bit....that is why there are several of us.....CDI pays me for it so as long as they believe their customers enjoy it then that is all that really matters. I'm sorry you feel as though I am subpar - although you don't even know me and we have never had a candid conversation...that is like saying that Orman is a no count with out me even knowing the guy, and I wouldn't ever state something like that....

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

My bad, I did not realize you were repeating what Stevens said, I apologize for that...

Actually, I don't even think Stevens said it...it was the host or co-host...Who is the guy that has the Vegas horse racing show...Shiraca, or something?

BTW, not everybody has to agree with my analysis or even like it the least bit....that is why there are several of us.....CDI pays me for it so as long as they believe their customers enjoy it then that is all that really matters. I'm sorry you feel as though I am subpar - although you don't even know me and we have never had a candid conversation...that is like saying that Orman is a no count with out me even knowing the guy, and I wouldn't ever state something like that....[/quote]
Thats very fair and true. But I think the folks listening to your analysis before the Quay race where you selected Alex may have been done a disservice. ANyone who saw Quay's debut knew he was the goods.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Thats very fair and true. But I think the folks listening to your analysis before the Quay race where you selected Alex may have been done a disservice. ANyone who saw Quay's debut knew he was the goods.

I'm confused, and with the screwed up quotes I am not certain who said what, but are you implying because Joel picked a loser he did someone a disservice?

That would be incredible if you really said that unless, of course, you have never given anyone a loser.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm confused, and with the screwed up quotes I am not certain who said what, but are you implying because Joel picked a loser he did someone a disservice?

That would be incredible if you really said that unless, of course, you have never given anyone a loser.

I was busting his balls, look at the topic of the thread, its a little ironic. Ah, my humor isn't gotten by everyone.

Never said Quay couldn't win, I simply said that he has a router's pedigree and did not have to win the Bashford Manor - a 6 furlong event - from the far outside post at low odds....that is all I said....Additionally, I still think that Run Alex Run could turn the tables on Circular Quay if they SPRINT against each other again and I still believe that....Circular Quay got a beautiful set up with the heated early pace pressure with many top contenders battling it out, whilw Alex was hung wide and I think McKee made a mistake by letting him fall well off the pace after contesting the first quarter and not even saving ground in the process...the damage was done..he contested th efirst quarter so why not hold your position?...Why lose ground and try to rerally with a 2yo after taking him back? I think McKee put the horse through too much and I still believe that he will prove out to be the best SPRINTER out of that field when it is all said and done....

...Circular Quay will go a lot further, but the Bashford Manor was a sprint event, so I thought he could be vulnerable...thats all...he got a great set up and RAR did not and I believe that may have been the differnce (on top of the fact that Fires isn't going to consistently get good efforts out of any horse, lets face it)...Pletcher vs. Fires..I'll take Pletcher, but that doesn't mean that RAR isn't as good of a horse as Circular Quay....time will tell

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Never said Quay couldn't win, I simply said that he has a router's pedigree and did not have to win the Bashford Manor - a 6 furlong event - from the far outside post at low odds....that is all I said....Additionally, I still think that Run Alex Run could turn the tables on Circular Quay if they SPRINT against each other again and I still believe that....Circular Quay got a beautiful set up with the heated early pace pressure with many top contenders battling it out, whilw Alex was hung wide and I think McKee made a mistake by letting him fall well off the pace after contesting the first quarter and not even saving ground in the process...the damage was done..he contested th efirst quarter so why not hold your position?...Why lose ground and try to rerally with a 2yo after taking him back? I think McKee put the horse through too much and I still believe that he will prove out to be the best SPRINTER out of that field when it is all said and done....

...Circular Quay will go a lot further, but the Bashford Manor was a sprint event, so I thought he could be vulnerable...thats all...he got a great set up and RAR did not and I believe that may have been the differnce (on top of the fact that Fires isn't going to consistently get good efforts out of any horse, lets face it)...Pletcher vs. Fires..I'll take Pletcher, but that doesn't mean that RAR isn't as good of a horse as Circular Quay....time will tell

Joel I was busting your balls, I realize that Alex was the only logical alternative.

[Pointg5]

My comments were based on what I thought you said, which turned out to be what the host or Stevens said, I was wrong, I admit it...

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

My bad, I did not realize you were repeating what Stevens said, I apologize for that...

Actually, I don't even think Stevens said it...it was the host or co-host...Who is the guy that has the Vegas horse racing show...Shiraca, or something?

BTW, not everybody has to agree with my analysis or even like it the least bit....that is why there are several of us.....CDI pays me for it so as long as they believe their customers enjoy it then that is all that really matters. I'm sorry you feel as though I am subpar - although you don't even know me and we have never had a candid conversation...that is like saying that Orman is a no count with out me even knowing the guy, and I wouldn't ever state something like that....[/quote]

CDI better hope like hell they never need you to interview Jason Orman. What would your first question be, "Jason, I called you a clown, what do you think about that?"

Assistant Publicity Director, Website Racing Information Manager, now part-time whatever for Churchill. You certainly don't come off as influential as you say. You ought to know better.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

CDI better hope like hell they never need you to interview Jason Orman. What would your first question be, "Jason, I called you a clown, what do you think about that?"

Haven't been in the interviewing game for a while, man, so I doubt I will ever interview any trainer....Also, read the threads before you make naive comments...I NEVER said that Orman was a clown...you are clearly the clown...you take any reason to bash me and act like you know me...Who are you, big shot? What is your name and what do you do?....I bet you are just a sour degenerate....get a life!

How about you be a man and reveal your name?

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Haven't been in the interviewing game for a while, man, so I doubt I will ever interview any trainer....Also, read the threads before you make naive comments...I NEVER said that Orman was a clown...you are clearly the clown...you take any reason to bash me and act like you know me...Who are you, big shot? What is your name and what do you do?....I bet you are just a sour degenerate....get a life!

How about you be a man and reveal your name?

And herein lies the problem. Joel hes a very sharp guy, and whos he by or what he does for work is really not an issue in relation to his knowledge of the game. You don't have to work for a track or a trainer or a newspaper to posess a hell of a lot of knowledge about this game. You also don't have to have been raised around them. Some people have a very fast learning curve, in many things.
YOu may want to realize that as much as you may know, there are people who know more, or as much. And there are many facets of the game. Analyzing races once they are done is an important skill, but it isn't necessarily related to predicting outcomes, a skill in this game that is decidedly more valued. So far, your after race analysis has been good, but your predictions have been few and less so. To really impress people you have to put it out there BEFORE the race, not after.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Haven't been in the interviewing game for a while, man, so I doubt I will ever interview any trainer....Also, read the threads before you make naive comments...I NEVER said that Orman was a clown...you are clearly the clown...you take any reason to bash me and act like you know me...Who are you, big shot? What is your name and what do you do?....I bet you are just a sour degenerate....get a life!

How about you be a man and reveal your name?

My name is Bruce. I'll pm you the rest if you want. Just ask. I'm not hard to find.

I have a modest, but successful employee benefits consulting practice. I left a management position 3 years ago during a corporate shake-up when it was clear they wanted new blood and frankly offered me too much money to stay.

I am not a big shot.

While putting myself through school, I worked as a cab driver, laborer, made manifolds for Ford Thunderbirds and did anything else I needed to. My first job was shining shoes in front of the GM building in downtown Detroit when I was six. As a teenager, I hustled a lot of scrap.

I have hired and fired over 100 people but driving a cab and working in the benefits/insurance business gave me the ability to recognize bulls hit when I see it. And you fit the bill.

Aside from "not losing too much of (your) fathers money (your words)" I don't see how you possess any significant "influence (again, your word)." Doing part-time work for a racetrack does not make you influential.

Your opinion of me as maive, a clown and a degenerate is fine for you to have.

Just as mine of you as a full of ****, self-proclaimed influencer of the horse business while two years removed from making sure there was paper in the Fair Grounds press room fax machine is fine as well.

The difference between you and me is I do not proclaim to be of any greater "influence" or import than is reasonable for anyone with more than **** for brains to believe. I also do not look to start arguments but seem to have the propensity to carry on when I think it's right to do so.

Any more questions?

Oh you mean the wonderhorse who got beat about 50 lengths in 3 starts outside of cali?
That "clown" was forced to sit on the ae list before the Derby, then run a horse with three lifetime starts in the Preakness. The Belmont had nothing to with that "clown" unless you wanna get all over Solis for what he did to him.
By the way, umm, how many Tri Crown races has Mandella won? The same number as that "clown" zero. But the clown does have a 2nd place finish in a tri crown race, something Mandella doesn't have.
Are we supposed to believe that a guy who has never done squat with pretty nice horses in all those years in Tri Crown races would have done better than Jason Orman?