Circular Quay

Originally Posted by Flaxen Mane

I havn't watched Circular Quay run, and havn't really paid much attentions to the two year olds so far this year.... But I found it interesting when I was reading the Bloodhorse's Talkin Horses with Gary Stevens yesterday, that he said if any horse would bring him out of retirement it would be Circular Quay.

Stevens has also made several other bold comments over the years that I've seen him be way off the mark about, so I wouldn't make much of his latest comment....I like Gary...he's a pretty inteligent jockey and doesn't pull any punches and that makes him a very likeable figure in our sport IMO, but he has made some bad predictions like saying Chekov would win the Derby last year

However, he did say that Rock Hard Ten would never lose again when he left that clown's barn and went to Mandella, and he was right there....

[Buffymommy]

However, he did say that Rock Hard Ten would never lose again when he left that clown's barn and went to Mandella, and he was right there....[/quote]


Yes he was.

wait a second...just because Jason Orman
is not a high profile trainer
that doesn't make him a clown
as Fonzie would say "that's not cool"
Sit on it, Mr. C!

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

wait a second...just because Jason Orman
is not a high profile trainer
that doesn't make him a clown
as Fonzie would say "that's not cool"
Sit on it, Mr. C!

I would love to know the people that pay this guy for analysis, he's got some knowledge, but not enough to be paid for...

[dr. fager]

I could be way off, but I think big colts like RHT and Strong Contender take longer to truly be able to handle their big frames. Impressive to the eye, but just a bit awkward.

my point being, hard to compare a 3yr old campaign to a 4 yr old campaign...

[Buffymommy]

Originally Posted by dr.fager

I could be way off, but I think big colts like RHT and Strong Contender take longer to truly be able to handle their big frames. Impressive to the eye, but just a bit awkward.

my point being, hard to compare a 3yr old campaign to a 4 yr old campaign...

I think that the bigger colts need more time to "grow into themselves". I don't think you are off base on this way of thinking.

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

wait a second...just because Jason Orman
is not a high profile trainer
that doesn't make him a clown
as Fonzie would say "that's not cool"
Sit on it, Mr. C!

the term "clown" wasn't mine...I don't know the guy...maybe you should have heard the interview...

[Pointg5]

However, he did say that Rock Hard Ten would never lose again when he left that clown's barn and went to Mandella, and he was right there....[/quote]


Real nice, I would say that "clown" was put under an extraordinary set of circumstances to get the horse in the Derby, didn't happen, but the owners kept pushing and I would say that he did a pretty good job under the constraints he was under. He would have never beat Smarty, no matter what, but it's no shame to run 2nd to him. And as for Mandella, I do not believe he is setting the world on fire right now....

Originally Posted by Pointg5

However, he did say that Rock Hard Ten would never lose again when he left that clown's barn and went to Mandella, and he was right there....

Real nice, I would say that "clown" was put under an extraordinary set of circumstances to get the horse in the Derby, didn't happen, but the owners kept pushing and I would say that he did a pretty good job under the constraints he was under. He would have never beat Smarty, no matter what, but it's no shame to run 2nd to him. And as for Mandella, I do not believe he is setting the world on fire right now....[/quote]

Don't crusify the messenger...it was on the radio with that host from Vegas when somebody on that show referred to the horse as "going from a clown stable to a crown stable"....not my words

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Real nice, I would say that "clown" was put under an extraordinary set of circumstances to get the horse in the Derby, didn't happen, but the owners kept pushing and I would say that he did a pretty good job under the constraints he was under. He would have never beat Smarty, no matter what, but it's no shame to run 2nd to him. And as for Mandella, I do not believe he is setting the world on fire right now....

Don't crusify the messenger...it was on the radio with that host from Vegas when somebody on that show referred to the horse as "going from a clown stable to a crown stable"....not my words[/quote]

My bad, I did not realize you were repeating what Stevens said, I apologize for that...

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Don't crusify the messenger...it was on the radio with that host from Vegas when somebody on that show referred to the horse as "going from a clown stable to a crown stable"....not my words

My bad, I did not realize you were repeating what Stevens said, I apologize for that...[/quote]

Actually, I don't even think Stevens said it...it was the host or co-host...Who is the guy that has the Vegas horse racing show...Shiraca, or something?

BTW, not everybody has to agree with my analysis or even like it the least bit....that is why there are several of us.....CDI pays me for it so as long as they believe their customers enjoy it then that is all that really matters. I'm sorry you feel as though I am subpar - although you don't even know me and we have never had a candid conversation...that is like saying that Orman is a no count with out me even knowing the guy, and I wouldn't ever state something like that....

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

My bad, I did not realize you were repeating what Stevens said, I apologize for that...

Actually, I don't even think Stevens said it...it was the host or co-host...Who is the guy that has the Vegas horse racing show...Shiraca, or something?

BTW, not everybody has to agree with my analysis or even like it the least bit....that is why there are several of us.....CDI pays me for it so as long as they believe their customers enjoy it then that is all that really matters. I'm sorry you feel as though I am subpar - although you don't even know me and we have never had a candid conversation...that is like saying that Orman is a no count with out me even knowing the guy, and I wouldn't ever state something like that....[/quote]
Thats very fair and true. But I think the folks listening to your analysis before the Quay race where you selected Alex may have been done a disservice. ANyone who saw Quay's debut knew he was the goods.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Thats very fair and true. But I think the folks listening to your analysis before the Quay race where you selected Alex may have been done a disservice. ANyone who saw Quay's debut knew he was the goods.

I'm confused, and with the screwed up quotes I am not certain who said what, but are you implying because Joel picked a loser he did someone a disservice?

That would be incredible if you really said that unless, of course, you have never given anyone a loser.

Never said Quay couldn't win, I simply said that he has a router's pedigree and did not have to win the Bashford Manor - a 6 furlong event - from the far outside post at low odds....that is all I said....Additionally, I still think that Run Alex Run could turn the tables on Circular Quay if they SPRINT against each other again and I still believe that....Circular Quay got a beautiful set up with the heated early pace pressure with many top contenders battling it out, whilw Alex was hung wide and I think McKee made a mistake by letting him fall well off the pace after contesting the first quarter and not even saving ground in the process...the damage was done..he contested th efirst quarter so why not hold your position?...Why lose ground and try to rerally with a 2yo after taking him back? I think McKee put the horse through too much and I still believe that he will prove out to be the best SPRINTER out of that field when it is all said and done....

...Circular Quay will go a lot further, but the Bashford Manor was a sprint event, so I thought he could be vulnerable...thats all...he got a great set up and RAR did not and I believe that may have been the differnce (on top of the fact that Fires isn't going to consistently get good efforts out of any horse, lets face it)...Pletcher vs. Fires..I'll take Pletcher, but that doesn't mean that RAR isn't as good of a horse as Circular Quay....time will tell

[Pointg5]

My comments were based on what I thought you said, which turned out to be what the host or Stevens said, I was wrong, I admit it...

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

My bad, I did not realize you were repeating what Stevens said, I apologize for that...

Actually, I don't even think Stevens said it...it was the host or co-host...Who is the guy that has the Vegas horse racing show...Shiraca, or something?

BTW, not everybody has to agree with my analysis or even like it the least bit....that is why there are several of us.....CDI pays me for it so as long as they believe their customers enjoy it then that is all that really matters. I'm sorry you feel as though I am subpar - although you don't even know me and we have never had a candid conversation...that is like saying that Orman is a no count with out me even knowing the guy, and I wouldn't ever state something like that....[/quote]

CDI better hope like hell they never need you to interview Jason Orman. What would your first question be, "Jason, I called you a clown, what do you think about that?"

Assistant Publicity Director, Website Racing Information Manager, now part-time whatever for Churchill. You certainly don't come off as influential as you say. You ought to know better.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

CDI better hope like hell they never need you to interview Jason Orman. What would your first question be, "Jason, I called you a clown, what do you think about that?"

Haven't been in the interviewing game for a while, man, so I doubt I will ever interview any trainer....Also, read the threads before you make naive comments...I NEVER said that Orman was a clown...you are clearly the clown...you take any reason to bash me and act like you know me...Who are you, big shot? What is your name and what do you do?....I bet you are just a sour degenerate....get a life!

How about you be a man and reveal your name?

Oh you mean the wonderhorse who got beat about 50 lengths in 3 starts outside of cali?
That "clown" was forced to sit on the ae list before the Derby, then run a horse with three lifetime starts in the Preakness. The Belmont had nothing to with that "clown" unless you wanna get all over Solis for what he did to him.
By the way, umm, how many Tri Crown races has Mandella won? The same number as that "clown" zero. But the clown does have a 2nd place finish in a tri crown race, something Mandella doesn't have.
Are we supposed to believe that a guy who has never done squat with pretty nice horses in all those years in Tri Crown races would have done better than Jason Orman?

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Stevens has also made several other bold comments over the years that I've seen him be way off the mark about, so I wouldn't make much of his latest comment....I like Gary...he's a pretty inteligent jockey and doesn't pull any punches and that makes him a very likeable figure in our sport IMO, but he has made some bad predictions like saying Chekov would win the Derby last year

However, he did say that Rock Hard Ten would never lose again when he left that clown's barn and went to Mandella, and he was right there....

What exactly makes Jason Orman a clown? He got RHT to the big spring races in good shape and he wasn;t good enough.

So, Mandella improved him. That doesn't make Orman a clown. Though he's 35 years od or so, he's still just getting going as a public traimer. But he's got a great background, having worked for Currin as well as spending time overseas.

Who trains the Cunningham family stable's horses?

Would Mandella have a chance to improve your father's barn?

Does that make your dad's trainer a clown as well?

[Buffymommy]

Just so ya know, I am only in this agreement because I meant that Gary was right that RH10 would never lose again after his crummy beginning to his three year old season. Now I don't know who to put the blame on: Trainer or owner. I wasn't in on the deal so I am not placing blame on anyone.