Corinthian or Bernardini

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

If pedigree doesn't matter then wqhy doesn';t every breeder just mate their mare with a s hit-box stud like Raffie's Majesty?...Why the hell do all of these dumbass people keep paying $300,000 to breed to A.P. Indy...why?....God, they must all be dumbas ses, right?....Hell, why don't we just start beeding to Quarterhorse stallions if breeding doesn't matter....how about breeding to Mr. Jess Perry?..He'll get you a horse with a lot of hindleg and speed for just $2,500!!!...Come on boys....we all know pedigree is a very important aspect of this game and to think otherwise is just fooling yourselves....Sure, things happen and freaks are born like Xtra Heat every year, but on average, better horses are produced from the better stallions or they wouldn't command the market share and support that they do.....Who wants to pay $300,000 to breed to A.P. Indy?...(Answer The guys who wants to get a monster like Bernardini, thats who....

I still don't get it. Well, I do get the part where I, as horse analyst, tell someone that they have a pretty good chance to get a nice foal if they breed to AP Indy. That I get. Seems prety obvious. $300k is a lot of money right? I also get the part about Mr Jess PErry being a bad deal, even at $2500. I suppose it all comes down to the in-between, right?

What do you do as a horse analyst?

What types of people pay for your services?

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I still don't get it. Well, I do get the part where I, as horse analyst, tell someone that they have a pretty good chance to get a nice foal if they breed to AP Indy. That I get. Seems prety obvious. $300k is a lot of money right? I also get the part about Mr Jess PErry being a bad deal, even at $2500. I suppose it all comes down to the in-between, right?

What do you do as a horse analyst?

What types of people pay for your services?

Churchill Downs Inc., and I don't choose to be an agent because i don't have the ballsack to take people's money and tell them that my investment will probably fail for them (because 95% of investments in this game are failures), so I choose not to be an agent but have had plenty of chances......as for agent-type work, I do run my father's racing operation in Louisiana and we have about 31 head right now....I have alos made purchases and given consultance to several other owners (mostly in Texas and Louisiana) but I NEVER TOOK A DIME FOR IT and that is why I hate to label it agent work....Why should I make money off of people when I know that Im probably making a decision that will fail them?...It is just not for me as a career because I have never wanted to be viewed as that dirty little car salesman....no offense, Oracle...I know that most agents are legit, it is just not a successful enough business for me to gain self satisfaction from....I'd rather try not to lose too much of my father's money than have to worry about some guy calling me up when his $15,000 yearling purchase turns out to be a maiden claimer...just not for me...

I have gotten unsolicited commission checks if any of my advice has proven to help people, but lets face it...you are going to be wrong way more than you are right in this game...it is set up like ****...it is set up from a cost standpoint for people to fail....even when you are right sometimes and pick a horse out for a modest yearling price that goes on to break his maiden by 10, they usually get hurt shortly after and you look like a moron again for picking out a fragile horse

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Churchill Downs Inc., and I don't choose to be an agent because i don't have the ballsack to take people's money and tell them that my investment will probably fail for them (because 95% of investments in this game are failures), so I choose not to be an agent but have had plenty of chances......as for agent-type work, I do run my father's racing operation in Louisiana and we have about 31 head right now....I have alos made purchases and given consultance to several other owners (mostly in Texas and Louisiana) but I NEVER TOOK A DIME FOR IT and that is why I hate to label it agent work....Why should I make money off of people when I know that Im probably making a decision that will fail them?...It is just not for me as a career because I have never wanted to be viewed as that dirty little car salesman....no offense, Oracle...I know that most agents are legit, it is just not a successful enough business for me to gain self satisfaction from....I'd rather try not to lose too much of my father's money than have to worry about some guy calling me up when his $15,000 yearling purchase turns out to be a maiden claimer...just not for me...

I have gotten unsolicited commission checks if any of my advice has proven to help people, but lets face it...you are going to be wrong way more than you are right in this game...it is set up like ****...it is set up from a cost standpoint for people to fail....even when you are right sometimes and pick a horse out for a modest yearling price that goes on to break his maiden by 10, they usually get hurt shortly after and you look like a moron again for picking out a fragile horse

Yeah I suppose people like Mark Reid who peddle "used cars" like medaglia D'oro, Peace rules, You, etc are no good. And the guy who sold baffert War Emblem must have just been lucky as well. I know the guy who bought WOnder lady feels like he got a real bargain on that used car.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Yeah I suppose people like Mark Reid who peddle "used cars" like medaglia D'oro, Peace rules, You, etc are no good. And the guy who sold baffert War Emblem must have just been lucky as well. I know the guy who bought WOnder lady feels like he got a real bargain on that used car.

But remember Mike, we are talking numbers here....Bernardini was one good one from 89 like you mentioned....how many horses that didn't pan out have you bought?...Everybody remembers the Wonder Lady Anne Ls of the world, but I would rather predicate my record on the ratio of good horses I bought to bad horses....Additionally, I find it much harder to pick out yearlings that will be successful...Picking out horses that have already displayed talent and then spending hundreds of thousands for them isn't exactly rocket science IMO....Hell, Medaglia d'Oro got like a 100 Beyer for breaking his maiden first time out for Dave Vance at Oaklawn....he showed promise and then went from an average trainer to a great trainer and even got better....I do like Reid's style though...he has made some good purchases..I'll give him that, and so have the McKathan bros....but it is FAR more harder to pick out yearlings....

For starters, I could never spend over $100K of somebody's money and hold a straight face doing so....it is just not my style.....BTW, don't take the 'used-car' thing as a slant on you guys....I simply just said that I would feel that way for some reason....most bloodstock agents don't have the greatest of reps..

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

But remember Mike, we are talking numbers here....Bernardini was one good one from 89 like you mentioned....how many horses that didn't pan out have you bought?...Everybody remembers the Wonder Lady Anne Ls of the world, but I would rather predicate my record on the ratio of good horses I bought to bad horses....Additionally, I find it much harder to pick out yearlings that will be successful...Picking out horses that have already displayed talent and then spending hundreds of thousands for them isn't exactly rocket science IMO....Hell, Medaglia d'Oro got like a 100 Beyer for breaking his maiden first time out for Dave Vance at Oaklawn....he showed promise and then went from an average trainer to a great trainer and even got better....I do like Reid's style though...he has made some good purchases..I'll give him that, and so have the McKathan bros....but it is FAR more harder to pick out yearlings....

For starters, I could never spend over $100K of somebody's money and hold a straight face doing so....it is just not my style.....BTW, don't take the 'used-car' thing as a slant on you guys....I simply just said that I would feel that way for some reason....most bloodstock agents don't have the greatest of reps..

Medag broke his maiden in his 2nd start, not his first. And I don't pick out yearlings, strictly horses who have run. I may aid somene in securing a yearling(put two people together) but I do not look at them or select them. I am not qualified to do so.