Corinthian or Bernardini

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Not necessarily..some of the fillies are worth close to that as broodmares the day they are born...but, I do understnd your point...this game is a law of numbers game and it is a losing proposistion from day one.....95% of the owners in this game lose their ass everytime they make an iibvestment into this ass-baskwarsd game...its just fact....you have to breed agressive to get good results...sure, you lose more than you win becaues that is how the game is set up...BUT, if you breed your mares to Louis Quatorze every year, the chances are that you will get a s hit-pile horse every year a lot more so than the chances of you getting a Bushfire...

Its a suckers bet, and the only guys who make that bet are guys looking for lighning in a bottle and can afford to burn 300 grand doing so. I realize that mares born off that breeding are sometimes worth that much but 50% of that equation comes from what the broodmare who throws the mare is worth in the first place. WOuld the resulting mare really be worth that much different out of a good broodmare if it resulted from the mating with a 50 grand sire? Some, but not at the rate of the markup of going to the 300 grand stud.
I just don't think its nearly as important as many think it is. I see just as many nice horses coming from sires who don't stand for 6 figures as I see from those who do. Remind me of all Storm Cat's stars this year? Oh, I forgot, there aren't any. Geez you would think that for 500 grand(especially with the book of mares he gets) that we would get maybe one star from this crop.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Its a suckers bet, and the only guys who make that bet are guys looking for lighning in a bottle and can afford to burn 300 grand doing so. I realize that mares born off that breeding are sometimes worth that much but 50% of that equation comes from what the broodmare who throws the mare is worth in the first place. WOuld the resulting mare really be worth that much different out of a good broodmare if it resulted from the mating with a 50 grand sire? Some, but not at the rate of the markup of going to the 300 grand stud.
I just don't think its nearly as important as many think it is. I see just as many nice horses coming from sires who don't stand for 6 figures as I see from those who do. Remind me of all Storm Cat's stars this year? Oh, I forgot, there aren't any. Geez you would think that for 500 grand(especially with the book of mares he gets) that we would get maybe one star from this crop.

Lets see how good After Market can be...........seriously though, I understand your point, but the market suggests that there is a coorelation with "success" (whatever success may be) and better stallions or nobdy could justify spending that kind of cash on Storm Cat instead of just breeding to Favorite Trick.....There were over 10 Storm Cats that sold for over $1 million last year at auction in North America...maybe that is what they define as success...on the ractrack though, I understnd what you are saying....Hell, I would never spend $500K for Storm Cat because I know that half of them are crazy and half are crooked as can be and have HORRIBLE knees....but hey, he has a market and when he gets a good one they are usually REALLY good (until they breakdown)