Ellis Pick 4 Takeout. Let's Participate

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

From what I've seen, the pools have been pretty strong. $35,000+ on weekdays is good for Ellis, no?

It's large for Ellis, ateam, but it's not a get-noticed number. There's not much point in dropping the take from 22% to 4% if all you're going to accomplish is double the pool size.

Why shouldn't that Pick-4 pool be over $100K? That would be attention-getting. What if it got big enough to actually siphon off simulcast money from other tracks? That would get a lot of people's attention.

We should all be talking this up to bettors we know. I hope it gets mentioned a lot at ATRAB. Beyer should devote a column to it.

--Dunbar

[letswastemoney]

It would help if every race on the card wasn't a low level claiming race.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

It would help if every race on the card wasn't a low level claiming race.

Tomorrow's pick four is very decent. It's got one low-level claimer, but also an MSW, an ALW and a stakes.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

It would help if every race on the card wasn't a low level claiming race.

There's a starter allowance and a $50k claiming race in the p-4 today. I don't think the two other races are any more difficult than many of the NYRA p-4's that often include NY breds. To each his own...

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

There's a starter allowance and a $50k claiming race in the p-4 today. I don't think the two other races are any more difficult than many of the NYRA p-4's that often include NY breds. To each his own...

Hmmm I just tend to do a lot better in regular allowance, stakes, and MSW. I might try tommorow's card though.

[10 pnt move up]

anyone who is a serious player must be supporting this wager for a number of reasons which are very obvious.

The word is getting out, I think you will see these pools grow in the next few weeks, remember 37k is DOUBLE of last year. Nope, takeout has no affect on handle, friggen morons.

[10 pnt move up]

I mean you can caveman 60 combo's for 30 bucks, you hit the bit about 1/7 times you are a winner for certain, and with a little bit of luck a big winner.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I mean you can caveman 60 combo's for 30 bucks, you hit the bit about 1/7 times you are a winner for certain, and with a little bit of luck a big winner.

That's one way to go and to the extent that you feel you need to cover or go wide, it's very true. I'm surprised they're not running on Mondays and Tuesdays. They'd certainly show big numbers for the p-4 those days. I know Calder's p-4 pools are higher on Mondays. I'm getting into Ellis pretty strong these days. Personally, I think people who snub their noses at mid-level racing as inferior for wagering are way wrong.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

That's one way to go and to the extent that you feel you need to cover or go wide, it's very true. I'm surprised they're not running on Mondays and Tuesdays. They'd certainly show big numbers for the p-4 those days. I know Calder's p-4 pools are higher on Mondays. I'm getting into Ellis pretty strong these days. Personally, I think people who snub their noses at mid-level racing as inferior for wagering are way wrong.

the bottom line is making money, this is a bet you can do it.

There might come a day were you really very your play based on gimmick enticements, such as a 5% double pool once a day at this track, a 5% exacta pool on a race here, pick 4 play here for 4%, 50 cent 10% take pick 6 here. You might have to go where they offer you value.

[Dunbar]

Here's another good article, this time by Cary Fotias, a member of the DRF/NTRA Players Panel, about how important it is to support the Ellis Park Pick 4:

http://www.ellisparkracing.com/media...OPS%20HERE.pdf

This part is right on the money:

"If players across the country don't get heavily involved in the Ellis Park Pick-4, they will confirm the industry notion that we are all a bunch of compulsive gamblers who couldn't care less about takeout rates. Wednesday's inaugural 4% Pick-4 (in which I invested $608) paid more than 8 times the win parlay! LET'S SEND IT IN and show them we definitely do care."

I agree with this, except that I'd replace "compulsive" with "hopelessly ignorant". Any bettor who doesn't see how vastly superior a 4% takeout is to a 20% takeout is indeed hopeless. Even if you hate the Ellis track, hate Ellis riders, hate the Ellis horses, you should be playing this Pick-4 to send the right message of "If you lower the take, they will come".

--Dunbar