Brass Hat/Willie-NTR (With PDrift arguing!)

[Buffymommy]

AND WHAT A GOOD GIRL I AM FOR NOT GETTING IN ON THIS ARGUMENT! I pat myself on the back.

I will admit, I will forever love this horse. Drifty will always have a place in my heart and be one of my fave racehorses of all time. Is he the best? No. I am not saying that. But he will always be one of my faves.

I will also admit that he may not want to race anymore. Maybe he is just tired of it. I think they should give him to me and let me baby him for the rest of his life.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I just lost my lunch

Come on hossy, let's sing...

Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya
O Lord, kumbaya

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Come on hossy, let's sing...

Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya
O Lord, kumbaya

Maybe she meant Murray and not PD

[Buffymommy]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I just lost my lunch

You better clean it up.

[Buffymommy]

And congrats to Brass Hat and his connections.

[Cannon Shell]

Since I have been unwittingly dragged into the conversation...I think that it is logical to think that a horse like Perfect Drift may have been able to accomplish more if in the barn of a high percentage trainer like the ones mentioned. Of course it is probably wrong but it is logical. Horse racing history is full of horses who moved to a different location or trainer and moved way up. But there are also many examples of good horses being moved to "high profile" trainers who have regressed. The worst thing about the % is that they really mean so little in a positive way for the owners who hold them so dear. One thing that the higer % guys seem to do is win fast and often for a short period and then the horses quickly regress and retire or move on. They also tend to make decisions that are based on a short term plan usually based upon the common good of their win % first and foremost. The funny thing is that the owners seem to run to these guys as fast as they can and usually wind up no better off than they were before except with a much larger bill. I dont blame the trainers for that type of thinking because it is obvious that is what most owners look for even if it is only a small piece of the puzzle.

Murray is not a close friend of mine but he is a nice man. He himself would probably admit that he is not the worlds greatest trainer. But he has done an exceptional job with this horse in my opinion. Of course I am of the belief that he was never more than a good grade 2 horse that overachieved on many occasions.

That being said it is painfully obvious that the horse has lost more than a step and though he may be sound enough to run, he just isn't a stakes quality horse anymore.

[citycat]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Since I have been unwittingly dragged into the conversation...I think that it is logical to think that a horse like Perfect Drift may have been able to accomplish more if in the barn of a high percentage trainer like the ones mentioned. Of course it is probably wrong but it is logical. Horse racing history is full of horses who moved to a different location or trainer and moved way up. But there are also many examples of good horses being moved to "high profile" trainers who have regressed. The worst thing about the % is that they really mean so little in a positive way for the owners who hold them so dear. One thing that the higer % guys seem to do is win fast and often for a short period and then the horses quickly regress and retire or move on. They also tend to make decisions that are based on a short term plan usually based upon the common good of their win % first and foremost. The funny thing is that the owners seem to run to these guys as fast as they can and usually wind up no better off than they were before except with a much larger bill. I dont blame the trainers for that type of thinking because it is obvious that is what most owners look for even if it is only a small piece of the puzzle.

Murray is not a close friend of mine but he is a nice man. He himself would probably admit that he is not the worlds greatest trainer. But he has done an exceptional job with this horse in my opinion. Of course I am of the belief that he was never more than a good grade 2 horse that overachieved on many occasions.

That being said it is painfully obvious that the horse has lost more than a step and though he may be sound enough to run, he just isn't a stakes quality horse anymore.

What a very classy post. I would expect no less.

I apologize for "dragging" you into this and I do respect your abilities.

Like I said I do enjoy reading this board but I thought this thread got really carried away when they call someone "a pretty bad trainer, numbers dont lie".

[Cajungator26]

Some people have an interesting way of being a real ball buster.

Geez...

I'm guessing Kumbaya didn't work.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Thanks for your insight here. Spot on as usual.

My insight concerning the horse isn't to automatically blame his trainer. I'm not convinced that PD would have lasted as long as he has with another trainer... there is obviously no way to know for sure, but I don't feel as if Johnson spotted this horse horribly. As for how he trained him, I have no idea. I'm not a trainer. Only a trainer would really know how he has done with this particular horse.

Thanks for your snobbish response, by the way. Spot on as usual.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Of course I am of the belief that he was never more than a good grade 2 horse that overachieved on many occasions.

IMO, Perfect Drift was an OUTSTANDING 4-year-old....and would have dominated any older male in the country right now.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

IMO, Perfect Drift was an OUTSTANDING 4-year-old....and would have dominated any older male in the country right now.

This is hardly a year to use as a benchmark

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I realize that much.

But, it's the kind of year that makes me nostalgic for performances like PD's first four on dirt during his 4yo season.

I think people tend to forget the kind of races he ran at that time. He won his first dirt race at four in the Foster, beating Mineshaft by a half length, running a 117 Beyer. Next out Met Mile winner, and three time Grade 1 winner that season Aldebaran was 3rd beaten double digits in that race.

In his 3rd start of the year on dirt, he defeated Congaree in hand, in what was an awesome performance.

When you look this year, we are through a half a season, and Accountforthegold is the only older horse to run two Beyers of 109 or more going a route of ground...it's amusing.

All the hanging issues started the next year.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Since I have been unwittingly dragged into the conversation...I think that it is logical to think that a horse like Perfect Drift may have been able to accomplish more if in the barn of a high percentage trainer like the ones mentioned. Of course it is probably wrong but it is logical. Horse racing history is full of horses who moved to a different location or trainer and moved way up. But there are also many examples of good horses being moved to "high profile" trainers who have regressed. The worst thing about the % is that they really mean so little in a positive way for the owners who hold them so dear. One thing that the higer % guys seem to do is win fast and often for a short period and then the horses quickly regress and retire or move on. They also tend to make decisions that are based on a short term plan usually based upon the common good of their win % first and foremost. The funny thing is that the owners seem to run to these guys as fast as they can and usually wind up no better off than they were before except with a much larger bill. I dont blame the trainers for that type of thinking because it is obvious that is what most owners look for even if it is only a small piece of the puzzle.

Murray is not a close friend of mine but he is a nice man. He himself would probably admit that he is not the worlds greatest trainer. But he has done an exceptional job with this horse in my opinion. Of course I am of the belief that he was never more than a good grade 2 horse that overachieved on many occasions.

That being said it is painfully obvious that the horse has lost more than a step and though he may be sound enough to run, he just isn't a stakes quality horse anymore.

Excellent post. By the way Chuck, I may or may not have been the first person to mention your name with regard to this topic. However, as I am sure you know, I certainly did not intend on "dragging" you into the discussion. That being said, my mentioning your name was more so in trying to point out and reference what I would consider a "qualified" opinion on the training element.

Be that as it may, I think the opinions on this topic -- much of them have validity and I think there were some great points made.

Eric

[ShadowRoll]

Originally Posted by ELA

Excellent post. By the way Chuck, I may or may not have been the first person to mention your name with regard to this topic. However, as I am sure you know, I certainly did not intend on "dragging" you into the discussion. That being said, my mentioning your name was more so in trying to point out and reference what I would consider a "qualified" opinion on the training element.

Be that as it may, I think the opinions on this topic -- much of them have validity and I think there were some great points made.

Eric

Yeah, God knows you have to twist Cannon's arm to get him to give his opinion about something. Was a good post, though.

[my miss storm cat]

Well there are a few different Brass Hat threads so wasn't sure where to post this but he's possible for the Whitney.....

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