Biggio "3000"!!!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There is no question that Biggio is a HOF player. He is one of the 10 best 2nd baseman of all time and arguably could be listed as high as #7.

Obviously the top 6 who are in the HOF are:
1. Rogers Hornsby
2. Nap Lajoie
3. Joe Morgan
4. Eddie Collins
5. Jackie Robinson
6. Charlie Gehinger

Then you have a group that includes Rod Carew, Frankie Frisch and Ryne Sandberg. He fits nicely with these guys and you could easily say that he was a better all around player than any of them especially in light of him playing 4 years at Catcher which surely suppressed his numbers a bit and playing so many of his peak years in the Astrodome which undoubtedly lowered his offensive numbers. He has not been a great player for the last few years but even so his averages are still very comparable and better in some cases than Sandberg and Paul Molitor, both recent inductees. For the record he has 5 silver Slugger awards and 7 all star appearances whereas Molitor had 4 SS awards and 7 all star appearances. The only HOF 2nd baseman with more HR's is Hornsby, He has more RBI's than Sandberg, Carew, Morgan and Robinson. He slg% is higher than Morgan, FRisch, Carew, and Collins. He has more runs than any of them. He has the 6th most 2b's in the history of MLB. He also leads the MLB in history in HBP. He stole more bases than all the other HOF 2nd baseman except for Morgan, Collins and Frisch and he is only 5 behind him. The only HOF 2nd basemen with more hits are Lajoie, Collins and Carew who he should catch this season.

Need more?

Did you happen to miss this post? Do you think I made these numbers up? Or should we say that most of these guys should come out of the Hall because a white guy who people liked had as good a numbers as they did? Or should we throw out Ruth, Cobb and all the other players who played in an era where there were no black or hispanic players? Try to look at the attributes the guy has without bias. Look at his numbers stacked up against the standard for a hall of fame second baseman. He absolutely meets the standard.

[Cannon Shell]

By the way writers would have liked Garvey a lot more as a canidate if he had played at the highest level for about 4 more years instead of fading into an ordinary player. A first baseman who hits 280 Hr's with a .290 batting average has no shot to get into the Hall. Compare him to other Hall of Fame first baseman and tell me how in the world you think he fits?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Did you happen to miss this post? Do you think I made these numbers up? Or should we say that most of these guys should come out of the Hall because a white guy who people liked had as good a numbers as they did? Or should we throw out Ruth, Cobb and all the other players who played in an era where there were no black or hispanic players? Try to look at the attributes the guy has without bias. Look at his numbers stacked up against the standard for a hall of fame second baseman. He absolutely meets the standard.

I answered this post previously.He has been allowed to hang around even though he can't produce well anymore.Then you want to use the quantities of things(over the qualities of things.)Fact is that he has been allowed to keep playing(and get certain benchmark quantities) because he is a loyal white guy on a very white team.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I answered this post previously.He has been allowed to hang around even though he can't produce well anymore.Then you want to use the quantities of things(over the qualities of things.)Fact is that he has been allowed to keep playing(and get certain benchmark quantities) because he is a loyal white guy on a very white team.

None of which has anything to do with the fact that he deserves to be and will be in the Hall of Fame. Should Micheal Jordan not be in the Hall of Fame because he stunk his last few years? Should we kick Steve Carlton out because he was no good his last few years? Does Greg Maddox not deserve to be in because he has been very mediocre the last few years?