Biggio "3000"!!!

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There is no question that Biggio is a HOF player. He is one of the 10 best 2nd baseman of all time and arguably could be listed as high as #7.

Obviously the top 6 who are in the HOF are:
1. Rogers Hornsby
2. Nap Lajoie
3. Joe Morgan
4. Eddie Collins
5. Jackie Robinson
6. Charlie Gehinger

Then you have a group that includes Rod Carew, Frankie Frisch and Ryne Sandberg. He fits nicely with these guys and you could easily say that he was a better all around player than any of them especially in light of him playing 4 years at Catcher which surely suppressed his numbers a bit and playing so many of his peak years in the Astrodome which undoubtedly lowered his offensive numbers. He has not been a great player for the last few years but even so his averages are still very comparable and better in some cases than Sandberg and Paul Molitor, both recent inductees. For the record he has 5 silver Slugger awards and 7 all star appearances whereas Molitor had 4 SS awards and 7 all star appearances. The only HOF 2nd baseman with more HR's is Hornsby, He has more RBI's than Sandberg, Carew, Morgan and Robinson. He slg% is higher than Morgan, FRisch, Carew, and Collins. He has more runs than any of them. He has the 6th most 2b's in the history of MLB. He also leads the MLB in history in HBP. He stole more bases than all the other HOF 2nd baseman except for Morgan, Collins and Frisch and he is only 5 behind him. The only HOF 2nd basemen with more hits are Lajoie, Collins and Carew who he should catch this season.

Need more?

Thank you, Chuck ...enough said!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

YOU LEFT OUT THE fact that Biggio has a 700 lead in number of times he has struck out(1700 versus 1000 for Garvey.)Just remember that in your head when you keep saying he is sooooo much better than Garvey.You're pushin' a whiffer.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

YOU LEFT OUT THE fact that Biggio has a 700 lead in number of times he has struck out(1700 versus 1000 for Garvey.)Just remember that in your head when you keep saying he is sooooo much better than Garvey.You're pushin' a whiffer.

Biggio gets on base more, has much more speed, scored a tremendous amount more runs, was a better doubles hitter, triples hitter, as good a power hitter, played gold glove defense at a tougher position, etc.

The only thing Garvey did better was strike out less. Plus Garvey is much more likely to wear a dress in public.

[dylbert]

Rather strange comparison... different position, different type player

Garvey was the original Shawn Kemp! How many different women did he impregnate during SAME TIME PERIOD?

Garvey was joke during his era and does not deserve mention in same breath as Biggio. More interesting comparison... Garvey vs. Bagwell. To paraphrase earlier posting by someone else here, Garvey will have to buy ticket to get into Cooperstown.