Scat Daddy retired

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by abe1947

So, you think an owner should run their horse until it breaks completely down? The horse is theirs to make money with. Would you continue running a horse that you could make millions on in the shed, just so the public could see him run. As soon as he lost a couple races his value and public appeal would drop, and those of you who what to see him run now would never bet on him again.

No one is saying that they should run the horse again. But the thinking that a psuedo good horse like Scat Daddy had accomplished so much to warrant early retirement if not injured is sad. I would not personally knock a person for selling a horse for profit because profits are so hard to come by in this business. But a horse like Scat Daddy's value wont go down if he loses a few races but it might have gone up he had won a legit fall stake. (not that I think he would have)

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No one is saying that they should run the horse again. But the thinking that a psuedo good horse like Scat Daddy had accomplished so much to warrant early retirement if not injured is sad. I would not personally knock a person for selling a horse for profit because profits are so hard to come by in this business. But a horse like Scat Daddy's value wont go down if he loses a few races but it might have gone up he had won a legit fall stake. (not that I think he would have)

Take it easy on him.


He's a 2 year old.

This is a business. You want to make money. Why run him if he is worth more in the shed and running him will not, as several on here have stated, make him worth more there. Those of us who love the sport, need to think more of the horse's well being, rather than our own pleasure. A good $5000 claiming race can be just exciting to watch as a $million GI, and you can usually make more $ betting on them.

[ArlJim78]

First Invasor, now Scat Daddy.

How many more of our heores will we see taken out of action?

Originally Posted by abe1947

This is a business. You want to make money. Why run him if he is worth more in the shed and running him will not, as several on here have stated, make him worth more there. Those of us who love the sport, need to think more of the horse's well being, rather than our own pleasure. A good $5000 claiming race can be just exciting to watch as a $million GI, and you can usually make more $ betting on them.

If you're in this sport to make money you might as well pay a guy to kick you in the balls on a daily basis.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by abe1947

This is a business. You want to make money. Why run him if he is worth more in the shed and running him will not, as several on here have stated, make him worth more there. Those of us who love the sport, need to think more of the horse's well being, rather than our own pleasure. A good $5000 claiming race can be just exciting to watch as a $million GI, and you can usually make more $ betting on them.

Owning horses is not a business. You may treat it as a business, you may think it is a business, but it is not a business.
And by your way of thinking most horses should be retired if they win 1st time out because running them again may decrease their value.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Owning horses is not a business. You may treat it as a business, you may think it is a business, but it is not a business.
And by your way of thinking most horses should be retired if they win 1st time out because running them again may decrease their value.

Maggi Moss would disagree with you. A bunch of other people too.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Maggi Moss would disagree with you. A bunch of other people too.

Why? You think she is making money?

[Cannon Shell]

There is no way that he stands for less than $25k. If the yearling markets is solid and the Sheikh Mo boycott doesn't spread, he may go as high as $40k.

[Cannon Shell]

To be a business you must produce a good or service. Owning horses does neither. You want to call it an investment? Fine. But a business? Try telling the IRS that it is a business. Hell, they dont even want to label owning horses as an investment.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There is no way that he stands for less than $25k. If the yearling markets is solid and the Sheikh Mo boycott doesn't spread, he may go as high as $40k.

that high?!


i'm in the wrong business. that just seems high to me...crazy crazy

[Zaf]

with Maggie Moss on the Roger Stein show Sunday , a great listen:

http://www.rogerstein.com/radio/archive2.asp

[Kasept]

A note on the timing of Scat Daddy's retirement given that a 90 day lay-up would have been in order to bring him back... On the show last night, Scatuorchio said that he'll be shuttling to Australia as part of his stud career... And their breeding season is of course close at hand...

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Kasept

A note on the timing of Scat Daddy's retirement given that a 90 day lay-up would have been in order to bring him back... On the show last night, Scatuorchio said that he'll be shuttling to Australia as part of his stud career... And their breeding season is of course close at hand...

he probably won't go this season as those horses will enter quarantine very soon if they haven't already....and if he has an injury they are not likely to fly him halfway around the world to do what is actually a demanding job before he gets a clean bill of health.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

O 1/2

OOOOOOOOOO

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Behooved of course

Quit putzing aound Hossy....I have work 4 u.





Sent ya a job ticket.

[MisterB]

Yea, the almighty dollar rules. Again, poor breeding headed to the shed row for the $$$$. A continued money making machine, that puts out panzy ponies.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I quit

!!



OOOOOOOOOO

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No one is saying that they should run the horse again. But the thinking that a psuedo good horse like Scat Daddy had accomplished so much to warrant early retirement if not injured is sad. I would not personally knock a person for selling a horse for profit because profits are so hard to come by in this business. But a horse like Scat Daddy's value wont go down if he loses a few races but it might have gone up he had won a legit fall stake. (not that I think he would have)

Chuck, I see your point, however, the downside with more than one loss is far greater than the upside of a win (which should almost be expected depending on the spot). Much of what will sell a horse like this at stud is the "hype" or the "what could have been" kind of thing.

Yes, it is sad -- very sad. I agree. However, he loses a couple of races, the reality of the situation is no longer hidden -- as it might be now to some people. Don't forget -- it's not you and me sending mares to this stud.

Eric

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ELA

Chuck, I see your point, however, the downside with more than one loss is far greater than the upside of a win (which should almost be expected depending on the spot). Much of what will sell a horse like this at stud is the "hype" or the "what could have been" kind of thing.

Yes, it is sad -- very sad. I agree. However, he loses a couple of races, the reality of the situation is no longer hidden -- as it might be now to some people. Don't forget -- it's not you and me sending mares to this stud.

Eric

Eric
I disagree that his value is predicated on "hype" or "buzz". He won Grade 1 2 year old stakes and a Grade 1 Derby prep. He is by a "hot" stallion. His value is secure regardless of how many races he lost. He will probably stand for somewhere between $30-$40k. If he were to win the Travers and/or Haskell or a race like that, he would have been worth a lot more. Personally I never thought he was great but he did accomplish more than most stallions that will enter stud next year.