Victor Molina Is in Trouble

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I don't know if any of you saw the 3rd race at Philly Park about 10 minutes ago. It was a 2 year old race and Victor Molina's horse acted up in the gate. The horse had to be scratched. Anyway, after the horse had been pulled out of the gate and scratched, Victor Molina kicked the horse in the stomach. I couldn't believe it. I know I'm not the only one who saw it either. TVG got a ton of e-mails about it. VM is definitely in trouble. He is probably looking at a large fine and a suspension.

I didn't see it but he deserves all he gets and then some.

He had to jump to kick the horse right?

[blackthroatedwind]

I hate it when people pick on these brave heroes who risk their lives on a daily basis.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I hate it when people pick on these brave heroes who risk their lives on a daily basis.

Are "these brave heroes" the jocks or the horses?

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by whodey17

Are "these brave heroes" the jocks or the horses?

You certainly are a special kind of jackass. I'd like to kick you in your stomach. Or lower. See how you like it. Then you can answer your own question.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

You certainly are a special kind of jackass. I'd like to kick you in your stomach. Or lower. See how you like it. Then you can answer your own question.

What on earth are you talking about?

[MisterB]

They should tie his leg in the stirup, and play Red Pollard in the shed row with his azz.

[paisjpq]

I guess I'm the only person here willing to admit I have kicked a horse in the gut for being a ass.hole.

[Linny]

It was uncalled for. The horse was clearly a bad actor at the gate but he stood for the unsaddling and it was after that that the jock booted him.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

I guess I'm the only person here willing to admit I have kicked a horse in the gut for being a ass.hole.

Isn't the key though to do so while the horse is in the act of doing said behavior?

I think Victor should get the death penalty.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Isn't the key though to do so while the horse is in the act of doing said behavior?

of course...I was just stiring the pot, point is though that we all lose it on occasion. I'm not excusing what he did....but I've made that same stupid immature choice before when a horse has gotten the best of me.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

I guess I'm the only person here willing to admit I have kicked a horse in the gut for being a ass.hole.

Why should the human race be the only ones subject to your magnanimous nature?

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Why should the human race be the only ones subject to your magnanimous nature?

OOOOOOOOOO

[blackthroatedwind]

I am not offering a defense of Victor Molina, or those kind of actions, but I think that there is a basic hypocracy in these kinds of threads. Considering all the lousy things that go on in horse racing, and the general blind eye most of us turn to them, I'm not sure this specific situation should get everybody up in arms. I have a friend who was an exercise rider and backstretch worker, one day I asked her what she was doing that afternoon and she said " pulling manes. " When I suggested that sounded boarderline cruel she said " we do a lot of mean things to horses. "

It's a brutal game that we love....let's not pretend we're animal rights activists here.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

He deserves to be punished if these allegations prove to be true.

You can see it, plain as day, on the simo feed. The horse was held by an outrider on a pony as VM removed his saddle. The horse stood fine and after the tack was off, the jock booted him in the lower abdomen. It was not a means of gaining control over a horse that was currently unruly. Animals need punishment on occassion but you must punish them during the offense.

Whip abuse occurs and is punished. Stewards may ban exercise riders who use rough tactics. Some would say that racing itself is abuse. I have used lip chains, punished horses with the whip and even bitten a horse on the ear (no wonder I can't get dates). There is a difference between gaining control of a 1000lb animal that has different opinions from yours and booting a horse who is being held, standing quietly. I have to assumethat Victor was angry with the loss of the income resulting from the actions of the horse leading to the gate scratch. He took his anger out on the animal which could not associate the kick from the jock with his poor actions at the gate.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Victor Molina was in my GA class two years ago at Nazareth Hospital.

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There is a reason that those things have 'anonymous' at the end of them. I guess you missed that day....

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

I guess I'm the only person here willing to admit I have kicked a horse in the gut for being a ass.hole.

I'll admit it too. You've got to let some of them know who's the boss, or they'll kill you.
Not an everyday occurance, but needed when survival and "understanding" is required.

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

I guess I'm the only person here willing to admit I have kicked a horse in the gut for being a ass.hole.

I too have had to get quite rough with a few aggressive horses, however, they were MY horses, and not simply because I couldn't ride them. He has no business kicking someone elses horse, I personally NEVER kick a horse in the gut, there are far more effective ways to discipline, the horse in this instance certainly can not equate the belly kick with acting up in the gate!

[FGFan]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I too have had to get quite rough with a few aggressive horses, however, they were MY horses, and not simply because I couldn't ride them. He has no business kicking someone elses horse, I personally NEVER kick a horse in the gut, there are far more effective ways to discipline, the horse in this instance certainly can not equate the belly kick with acting up in the gate!

Sometimes you have to get aggressive when handling animals. Thing is shouldn't be done at the gate and on Int'l TV. Yup the horse huggers will turn out, they live for this stuff.