Watch GAZA die

#1 06-16-2007, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by magic_idol

I Have to say i disagree with you, & While disagreeing i hope i dont get branded a Terrorist, Hamas was elected to govern & because of this Israel supplied the losing party whith weapons thus causing civil war So who is the terrorist ?
If you dont like the governing party do you just label them terrorists & apparently that gives you the right to destroy that country
Hmmm sounds abit like afganistan. Had to laugh the other day they were going to rip up a poppy field & all of a sudden they were fired on when asked who was shooting at them the government said taliban this is dispite the fact the tailiban were actually against drugs & it was more likely poor farmers who were seeing there crop destroyed.
It seems to me if we dont like a situation we just call them terroists or taliban.
Come to think of it im havin a argument with a bloke at the track i think he might be a terroist or taliban

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Just puttin my 2 cents worth in & if it offends you i am deeply sorry

& bury my nose back into my winning post lookin for a winner on Sat

Free The Sheeple

Bolded phrases are decent points and another way of looking at these situations.
One huge diff.

Targeting totally innocent people for the purpose of instilling terror in a population. What do you think Hamas would do with a nuke? Israel has nukes. Chance they use them... slim to none. Hamas would wipe out Israel instantly. They have already stated they will not allow Israel to exist. The Taliban would use a nuke immediately. Pick an admirable quality (no drugs for the Taliban) and that makes them fine.

So the above is fanciful but not truthful. Religious zealotry is not just an Islamic quality. Right now the radical Islamic brand leads to a desire to kill totally innocent people for a chance in heaven. And it is fairly widespread. Maybe out of pure desperation. Nonetheless, completely wrong and brainwashed. I did not grow up in a school that taught me to kill, that death to the nonbelievers gives me a place in heaven. I have the freedom to read and worship as I want. I have the ability to search for some truth and believe what I want based on reason.

If you cant see the diff. I feel sorry for you. Good luck at the track.

GenuineRisk · #2 06-16-2007, 01:42 PM

History of Hamas. Interesting reading, with some explanation of why they are popular with the Palestinian people- and no, it's not the rocket attacks:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/...es/1654510.stm

Downthestretch55 · #3 06-16-2007, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

History of Hamas. Interesting reading, with some explanation of why they are popular with the Palestinian people- and no, it's not the rocket attacks:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/...es/1654510.stm

GenuineRisk,
That was a very good read.
I've been wondering why those that support "democracy" in the Middle East are having such a meltdown over Hamas. Seems to me that Condi should have opened a dialogue with them quite a while ago.

And Pgardn,
You might find this article to be of interest. Note the administrations the US supports. The "charade" of US policy is easily seen.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/06/16/1928/

#4 06-19-2007, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

GenuineRisk,
That was a very good read.
I've been wondering why those that support "democracy" in the Middle East are having such a meltdown over Hamas. Seems to me that Condi should have opened a dialogue with them quite a while ago.

And Pgardn,
You might find this article to be of interest. Note the administrations the US supports. The "charade" of US policy is easily seen.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/06/16/1928/

I have never said we have supported regimes that are squeeky clean. We have supported some awful dictators.

Bush and Olmert are not giving up on Abbas just yet:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/19/wo...hp&oref=slogin

But I still think Gaza will go down in the end.

DTS and SS: Why is it that Hamas will not recognize Israel's right to exist?

You see this is/was the major sticking point. They have flatly stated they will destroy Israel. So how do you guys pose Israel is supposed to negotiate with any Hamas led government? Or the Israelis have no right to be there and they should leave as Hamas claims. Go back thru all that history and make absurd claims, all sides do this. Is that what must be resorted to?

SentToStud · #5 06-19-2007, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

I have never said we have supported regimes that are squeeky clean. We have supported some awful dictators.

Bush and Olmert are not giving up on Abbas just yet:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/19/wo...hp&oref=slogin

But I still think Gaza will go down in the end.

DTS and SS: Why is it that Hamas will not recognize Israel's right to exist?

You see this is/was the major sticking point. They have flatly stated they will destroy Israel. So how do you guys pose Israel is supposed to negotiate with any Hamas led government? Or the Israelis have no right to be there and they should leave as Hamas claims. Go back thru all that history and make absurd claims, all sides do this. Is that what must be resorted to?

I don't like answering a question with one of my own but.... How exactly is Hamas going to destroy Israel? It's certainly awful rhetoric, the rockets they launch kill innocent people and I certainly don't blame Hamas opposition in Israel for responding as strongly as possible. But I find it hard to see how they can do it. I certainly don't believe they can do it on their own. And if no other Arab states chose to jump into Lebanon, I can't see them supporting the Palestinians in any extended conflict. Frankly, the Palestinians are the hillbillies of the Arab world. No one -- Arab or Non-Arab -- gives a rat's ass about the Palestinians except one country - Israel. That's because they must do so.

#6 06-19-2007, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud

I don't like answering a question with one of my own but.... How exactly is Hamas going to destroy Israel? It's certainly awful rhetoric, the rockets they launch kill innocent people and I certainly don't blame Hamas opposition in Israel for responding as strongly as possible. But I find it hard to see how they can do it. I certainly don't believe they can do it on their own. And if no other Arab states chose to jump into Lebanon, I can't see them supporting the Palestinians in any extended conflict. Frankly, the Palestinians are the hillbillies of the Arab world. No one -- Arab or Non-Arab -- gives a rat's ass about the Palestinians except one country - Israel. That's because they must do so.

So I guess they just go on making each other miserable with constant terror. I really dont think Israel wants this. I'm not so sure about Hamas. I really believe Israel thinks they can make peace with the Palestinians. I really believe the majority of Israeli's would not at all mind living next to a Palestinian state both on the coast and encompassing part of Jerusalem... A thriving economically viable, thriving, Palestinian state. Think of the tourism if there were piece. So many religious groups want to visit to Jerusalem. So many people would love to lay on the beaches in Gaza...

Does anyone really believe Hamas wants women in bathing suits enjoying themselves along with men on beaches in Gaza? Does anyone really believe they would ever tolerate trade and peace between Palestinians and Israeli's? I think its a very fundamental problem. Freedom of worship, individual rights, those sexy Western ideas that just wont go over.

So we get death instead.

Mortimer · #7 06-19-2007, 08:25 PM

I hate to be a drag.

But to any moderater listening...anyone at all...It it possible PeeGarden could just have his own Forum?
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I am withdrawing this request.

I feel my complete obliteration of my unworthy opponent PeeGarden in another thread is enough for me.

After all.....I am a warrior not without pity.

Mortimer · #8 06-16-2007, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

History of Hamas. Interesting reading, with some explanation of why they are popular with the Palestinian people- and no, it's not the rocket attacks:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/...es/1654510.stm

Uh....ma'am.

Let's stay out of manly intellectual discussions.....shall we?