Garret Gomez sucks

[Rupert Pupkin]

The bottom line is that none of those 3 horses would have won today no matter how they were ridden. I have no problem criticizing a jock if they cost a horse the race, but GG did not cost any of those horses the race.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

The bottom line is that none of those 3 horses would have won today no matter how they were ridden. I have no problem criticizing a jock if they cost a horse the race, but GG did not cost any of those horses the race.

I think you're absolutely dead wrong.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

dream rush yes wait awile for sure...waitawile was a joke he was over confedent thet when they turned for home he would blow by,,imo.....and joey.....you betta talk now mon

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

dream rush yes wait awile for sure...waitawile was a joke he was over confedent thet when they turned for home he would blow by,,imo.....and joey.....you betta talk now mon

I ... hate ... that ... horse.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I think you're absolutely dead wrong.

Let's say that John Velaquez would have ridden all 3 of those horses yesterday. Which of those horses would have won?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Let's say that John Velaquez would have ridden all 3 of those horses yesterday. Which of those horses would have won?

Dream Rush and possibly Wait a While.

[Danzig]

i think gomez thought wait a while was much better than she was, and that my typhoon was much worse than she turned out to be yesterday, that he could gun to the lead when he wanted.

ooops.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Dream Rush and possibly Wait a While.

He obviously had to go to the lead on Dream Rush from the rail. Once he got on the lead, he tried to rate her the best he could. It wasn't as if he asked her and she opened up 5 lengths and got run down. He slowed her down as much as he could. He couldn't have been any stiller in the saddle. I think the filly was just a little too head-strong for GG to slow her down any more than he did. He had a very tight hold of her. I agree with you that you don't want to go :45 1/5 in a mile race. That is definitely too fast. I don't think he wanted to go that fast, but once she was rolling on the lead it didn't look like he could get her to settle much more than she did.

[blackthroatedwind]

Honestly, you all are giving WAY too much credit to riders for having an effect on the outcome of races. I suggest spending time handicapping intelligently and forgetting about jockeys and the net results will be much better for you at the windows.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Honestly, you all are giving WAY too much credit to riders for having an effect on the outcome of races. I suggest spending time handicapping intelligently and forgetting about jockeys and the net results will be much better for you at the windows.

Now that's the Andy we know and love! You really don't think Gomez hurt Hard Spun's chances? It's pretty evident that the horse can cruise at a high rate of speed, Derby fractions of 22 4/5, 46 1/5, 111 and 137 under no urging, and he still ran his last quarter quicker than the previous. The 3 horses that tried to run with him for the 1st half mile in the Derby finished 17th, 19th and 20th. So if Hard Spun is allowed to "cruise" on his own for the opening 3/4's of a mile on Saturday, how far in front is he after 6f? How are they going to catch him rallying from 10 lengths plus back when he hasn't even taken a deep breath to that point?

Do you believe Larry Jones when he says he told Gomez to go to the lead?

He had the rail wide open going into that first turn and could have had it easily, but decided he'd rather be 5 wide, choking the life out of his animal in order to pin Curlin down on the rail.

I know this is all Monday morning QBing, as I for one thought what Pino did in the Preakness was inexcusable and was all for the change. But unfortunately Go-Go's strength is with off the pace runners, not front end horses (my opinion of course). I guess Jones was in a tough spot since Gomez was probably the best available, just not for that horse.

Andy, I know you aren't into the whole jockey thing but do you have an opinion on who may have been a better fit for Hard Spun, besides Pino and I guess Johnny V, who was probably still waiting on Pletcher to decide on CQ?

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Let's say that John Velaquez would have ridden all 3 of those horses yesterday. Which of those horses would have won?

Use Prado and not Johnny V- even though he won the big one yesterday, he's been less than stellar lately. . .

Dream Rush wins
Wait a While might win
Hard Spun loses no matter what