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Old 06-06-2007, 09:41 PM
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Gorbachev said that Russian democracy is growing despite its problems. He noted that the courts don't work and some media outlets have made deals with the authorities. But there is now, he said, a relatively free press.

Russia is moving from a totalitarian regime to democracy, he said, but it is only halfway there.


This is a very optimistic view of Russia. I think its bull.

The press is having a very tough time. And Russia is moving back towards a totalitarian way. Democracy is a terribly difficult thing to achieve. We had some sense that it would just occur automatically. That Democracy is somehow the steady state that is inevitably reached. Well its clearly not.

The institutions must be in place, a country just cant say we want to be democratic. And given Russia's history, the cultural inclination is clearly set up for a very organized totalitarian state, rather than a democracy that cant keep the lights on and protect citizens from criminals. The fledging democracy was rife with scandal and people taking advantage of the government privatizing industries, etc... And the folks on the street get sick of having inequities right in front of their faces, rather than hidden behind the big wall of a government.

IMO, this country is heading in a diff. direction...The easier well worn path. Not the difficult fair path of democracy. And I thank you...
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Old 06-06-2007, 09:46 PM
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It is bull! It doesn't look like the totalitarian folks are succeeding at "keeping the lights on and protecting the people" very well either!
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Old 06-06-2007, 09:49 PM
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It is bull! It doesn't look like the totalitarian folks are succeeding at "keeping the lights on and protecting the people" very well either!
They don't have to!
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Old 06-06-2007, 09:52 PM
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Somer: then they should stop rattlin their sabres and get cracking on rebuilding Russia! Agreed?
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Old 06-06-2007, 10:11 PM
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They don't have to!
Exactly. Thats why its easier. Fairness and basic human rights be damned.

You will live in the cold and you will like it commrade.

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Old 06-07-2007, 02:33 PM
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Pretty intersting counter proposal by Putin

"Putin told Bush he would not seek to retarget Russian missiles on Europe if the United States agreed to put the radar-based system in Azerbaijan, a former Soviet republic bordering the Caspian Sea."
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Old 06-07-2007, 02:41 PM
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Pretty intersting counter proposal by Putin

"Putin told Bush he would not seek to retarget Russian missiles on Europe if the United States agreed to put the radar-based system in Azerbaijan, a former Soviet republic bordering the Caspian Sea."
It is an already existing system made by the former Soviet republic a while back. And Putin said in place of one in the Czech Rep. Nonetheless a step at reconciliation. Bush already gave Putin free reign to come in a check out the system with his people and they would use it together.

At least the rhetoric is toned down.
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Old 06-07-2007, 03:03 PM
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It is an already existing system made by the former Soviet republic a while back. And Putin said in place of one in the Czech Rep. Nonetheless a step at reconciliation. Bush already gave Putin free reign to come in a check out the system with his people and they would use it together.

At least the rhetoric is toned down.
One can only surmised our new talks with Iran are not going as well as they were last week.. Apparently the the potential vacancy in the axis of evil will not occur. All this sh*t is connected. And, of course, Poland gets used again.
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Old 06-08-2007, 02:16 PM
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Pretty intersting counter proposal by Putin

"Putin told Bush he would not seek to retarget Russian missiles on Europe if the United States agreed to put the radar-based system in Azerbaijan, a former Soviet republic bordering the Caspian Sea."


It ain't gonna happen...so I aint holding my breath. Just an offer to appease.
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Old 06-08-2007, 02:25 PM
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It ain't gonna happen...so I aint holding my breath. Just an offer to appease.
Oh I know buddy, I'm just the reporter. I refuse to battle in the "area"
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