Rags to Riches confirmed for Belmont

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Will Octave run in the Acorn or the Mother Goose?

It seems as though Pletcher has suggested that he might now run Cotton Blossom in the Acorn and Octave in the Mother Goose.

If that's so---Dream Rush will be the favorite in the Acorn and I'd assume Christmas Kid the 2nd choice.

I'm not a big Christmas Kid fan.....and Cotton Blossom is ridiculously weak. You may be right, Octave could wait until the Mother Goose.

I won't even address Phil's silly rmarks about Dream Rush regressing after her absurd walk in the park in the Nassau. If that race took something out of her then the game is an even bigger joke than I think it is.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm not a big Christmas Kid fan.....and Cotton Blossom is ridiculously weak. You may be right, Octave could wait until the Mother Goose.

I won't even address Phil's silly rmarks about Dream Rush regressing after her absurd walk in the park in the Nassau. If that race took something out of her then the game is an even bigger joke than I think it is.

She's a really nice filly, no question, and a mile isn't going to be a problem- but how often have we seen fillies like this go down in flames in the Acorn??

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by philcski

She's a really nice filly, no question, and a mile isn't going to be a problem- but how often have we seen fillies like this go down in flames in the Acorn??

You'll have to give me some real examples.

Panty Raid is a joke by the way. The field she beat, with a perfect trip, in the Black Eyed Susan was disgraceful.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You'll have to give me some real examples.
Panty Raid is a joke by the way. The field she beat, with a perfect trip, in the Black Eyed Susan was disgraceful.

When was the last time a filly won the Comely and/or the Nassau then the Acorn? It's been a long time. Take any of those as examples...

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by philcski

When was the last time a filly won the Comely and/or the Nassau then the Acorn? It's been a long time. Take any of those as examples...

Give me some actual examples.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Give me some actual examples.

Last year, Adieu came out of a 1 turn race (La Troienne) as the 9/5 favorite and flopped.
2005, speed type Splendid Blended (also the La Troienne I believe) was 2-1 finished 4th.
2004, Society Selection (a filly I liked very much) came out of a win in the Comely and finished 2nd at 2-1.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by philcski

Last year, Adieu came out of a 1 turn race (La Troienne) as the 9/5 favorite and flopped.
2005, speed type Splendid Blended (also the La Troienne I believe) was 2-1 finished 4th.
2004, Society Selection (a filly I liked very much) came out of a win in the Comely and finished 2nd at 2-1.

Adieu was always slow. Splendid Blended hardly embarrassed herself in a pretty tough rendition and Society Selection....well you know.

I would say that Dream Rush enters this Acorn with a stronger hand. Believe me, I'm rarely sold, and I want to see the pps, but Dream Rush will be tough unless there is significant speed in this race.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by philcski

When was the last time a filly won the Comely and/or the Nassau then the Acorn? It's been a long time. Take any of those as examples...

Jersey Girl in 98 and Star de Lady Ann in 96 are the only two to win the Nassau and Acorn in the same year. Of course the Nassau has only been run 11 times.

[blackthroatedwind]

Ruffian did pretty well in the Acorn after winning the Comely.

[blackthroatedwind]

Mom's Command and Meadow Star did similarly.

Those races have changed substantially in the last twenty years, and not just because the Nassau County used to be a premier 1 1/8 race for older horses, and the fields are substantially weaker. I would like the list of supposed good horses that came out of the Comely or Nassau County and bombed in the Acorn.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Ruffian did pretty well in the Acorn after winning the Comely.

Oh, come on. You can't possibly use Ruffian against me! That's bringing a bazooka to a knife fight.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm not a big Christmas Kid fan.....and Cotton Blossom is ridiculously weak. You may be right, Octave could wait until the Mother Goose.

Yes, CK would be VERY tough to play off a seemingly dream trip (who really knows what a dream trip on poly is though?) Grade 1 win at KEE...and those stakes in South Florida two and three back were watered down races....though I felt she was the best in those weak fields.

Dream Rush looks like the horse....but if Octave doesn't go...there goes any value.

Hopefully Pletcher decides to send both Octave and CB....and have Panty Raid as his Mother Goose horse.

[tiznowthegreat]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yes, CK would be VERY tough to play off a seemingly dream trip (who really knows what a dream trip on poly is though?) Grade 1 win at KEE...and those stakes in South Florida two and three back were watered down races....though I felt she was the best in those weak fields.

Dream Rush looks like the horse....but if Octave doesn't go...there goes any value.

Hopefully Pletcher decides to send both Octave and CB....and have Panty Raid as his Mother Goose horse.

Pletcher has said that he will run Octave in the Mother Goose and NOT this weekend. He will run Cotton Blossom on Sat.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by tiznowthegreat

Pletcher has said that he will run Octave in the Mother Goose and NOT this weekend. He will run Cotton Blossom on Sat.

He didn't say this definitively.